Hey, I'm hella nice I'll smoke a pipe of peace any day :hippy:

Quote from DarwinAce :

i'm the owner of a simcenter and yes y do have 4 licenses of lfs. it's just that i don't login with the registered usernames since that they are not me... they are the names of the computers using it.

that happened racing with a friend of mine who was in the cockpit by my side, i know i'm not the best driver around, but 1:09 regular in blackwood with the fz50 gtr i'ts not easy for most people.

what i'm talking about is that drifting is a good racing technique and very useful if used properly, i did made a mistake by taking the race line too close to the inside, so i turned a lot slower than usual, but managed to block the race line... making the regular driver behind me to step on the brake to avoid a colision... a well trained driver who can drift with control and speed avoiding countersteering can take a different line in the middle of the corner and overtake at a decent speed the driver blocking the race line.

note also that we race only with the default settings... i'm sure that tuning the settings in the right path to acoomodate your race style, you'll get better laptimes than someone who races drifting in some corners. But when you really exhaust the possibilities with the default settings, you eventually start trying different racing techniques, and drifting serves as a technique that allows you to slowdown while in the entry of the corner, and not before as grip driving requests. That's specially useful for underpowered cars, where avoiding losing speed wastefuly (ex: braking) means faster laptimes.

drifting is a good racing technique, the problem is the mindless wannabe racers who think that drifting is all about skidding, using hard tyres in order to take the corners in a neverending slow crabwalk.

It's called trailbraking, or using the scrub of a hard turn in to slow down the car while dabbing the throttle, if you're beyond the grip limits of the tires, you're not using the car's maximum potential.

Quote from rcpilot :

It's called trailbraking, or using the scrub of a hard turn in to slow down the car while dabbing the throttle, if you're beyond the grip limits of the tires, you're not using the car's maximum potential.

Exactly. And with GTR cars, the maximum potential is NEVER a drift, unless you are autocrossing with them

Quote from Hankstar :

So DarwinAce, what you've said in your third paragraph is basically this: "Drifting is a good racing technique, the proof being that I did it once by accident and prevented someone from passing me." I can't say that's very convincing Even with default setups I doubt very much that someone getting sideways would beat someone taking smooth lines through each turn. You can't kick the back out and block someone at every corner - sooner or later you'll need to think about your lines and try and be smoother in and out of turns. If a guy's a smoother driver than you, he'll pass you somewhere. If he backs off a bit and brakes a little earlier than normal (but not as hard), takes a slower line than you into a turn while you scrub speed off by drifting in hot, he'll be set up for a better exit and be right on your rear to catch your slipstream down the straight, or pull up next to you coming into the next corner.

i was passed by the outside after making the mistake of getting to close to the inner side in the corner, i didn't accidentaly drifted... it was my friend who was racing with me that drifted onto the middle of the corner avoiding and passing me... there are only a few things to do when someone screws up in the middle of a corner and manages to block the line while in a corner followed by a chicane where there is no space to overtake before the mistaken driver gets up on his feet again... a skilled driver could take the advantage of letting the car skid to the outside while mantaining the nose of the car oriented to the track without having to countersteer... that way he can avoid the car in front and ovetake him, a driver without this skill can crash with the car in front or hit the brakes and slowdown along with the other driver...

i really dislike formula D and stuff, i find that really stupid added to burnouts and everything related to mindless usage of cars... but the real drift can be a very good addition for a skilled driver... noone is flawless

I'm definitely not saying that the ability to control a car past the limit isn't a good thing to have in normal racing, it's saved my ass many times and will save it many more times. And my skill at controlling a car past the limit seemed higher than other people sharing similar speed with me when I started getting into racing from drifting, but I'd be very surprised if someone who could keep up with me now couldn't handle their car well in a slide. Just I find it's a lot harder to finesse the limit than it is to bludgeon the limit, and a lot more rewarding to me in the end.

How about stunts then?

Once I had to dodge car so quickly at end of corner that spin was unavoidable, so I did keep spin on and did 360 turn, no positions lost there even there was other car following in not so far away. In some situations all skills are needed.

There is space for all styles, they are not away from own style so why to say for example drifting is useless, it does not matter what it is, if some people will enjoy let them. Live and let live, that is my philosophy and I recommend it to others too, it gives more

Simple. In racing you have to take all measures necessary to finish in the best possible position without braking any rules.
If that means oversteering, jumping over ramps or driving in reverse - I don't mind. If it's allowed I'll do it. Everything else isn't racing.

Drifters don't take all measures necessary to finish in the best possible position. Thus I don't have anything to do with drifting.

Vain

Quote from JTbo :

Once I had to dodge car so quickly at end of corner that spin was unavoidable, so I did keep spin on and did 360 turn, no positions lost there even there was other car following in not so far away. In some situations all skills are needed.

yup - recovering from spins is what i do best (beside being slow!) - just watch the end of the round 1 STCC race, you'll see me doing a little J-Turn - did it again in round 4, hit a wall, was sideways on the grass heading for a wall, jammed it in reverse, aimed the wheel hard left as the wall was approaching, dabbed the clutch, and spun it back round without touching the wall, back in 1st and went without even stopping...


Of course i drove out in front of someone, and the position will probably be removed, but still!

Juz think of drifting as a technique for the driver to negotiate a turn without the need to brake (hard), with skill and with some loss of traction
All of us have our own style of driving, and drifting is just one of them. U dont have to HATE drifters unless they bumped into you... peace.

Well, if someone's racing me using drift instead of braking and smooth lines, I won't battle him for the spot. Sooner or later his tyres will melt or explode and I'll get by him without any trouble

Watching any form of Motorsport with drivers who know what they are doing is entertaining to me. Car control is what I enjoy regardless of the form it's used in. I also miss the days of drum brakes and no power steering race cars! Geez those buggers had a lot of work cut out for them and were the only ones in control.

Everything has it's time and place and maybe the reason so many people are anti this or anti that is from bad experiences. I know it bugs me if I'm racing and someone joins and starts drifting disturbing the race... but I'm not anti drift, just think we all need to think about what's appropriate to do considering the circumstances. I'm sure drifters would be annoyed if people joined their servers and "grip" raced.

I remember not all that long ago there was a "Anti Drift Faction", it was discovered they supported genocide..

From the replies in this topic it is apparent that many people just do not understand drifting, and some of those who don't understand call themselves drifters. But it is equally apparent that some people don't understand racing, and some of those who don't understand call themselves racers.

The animosity arising from this is all so uneccessary.

So much to learn in this world and so little time. Why waste it bickering?

Quote from Gunn :

From the replies in this topic it is apparent that many people just do not understand drifting, and some of those who don't understand call themselves drifters. But it is equally apparent that some people don't understand racing, and some of those who don't understand call themselves racers.

The animosity arising from this is all so uneccessary.

So much to learn in this world and so little time. Why waste it bickering?

He's right.. we juz have to get over it.

After 9 pages of some ridiculous comments like "it's faster around the corner drifting" and stuff, what happens if we go back to the original question and just answer it. "Why don't people like drifting in LFS?" That is the question and sort of a stupid question. It's like asking why don't you like to eat liver and onions? I just don't like liver and onions. I don't like the taste. Or why don't you hunt? There's one that could relate to the why not like drift question. I can respond that I don't like hunting because I never really got into it as a youngster. My family is from a big city and it really wasn't in my parents interest. Then when I moved out into the country, I just didn't start hunting. It doesn't interest me to sit out in the cold all day in a tree waiting for a deer to walk up on me. I don't want to go trudging all through the woods in the cold and snow. But others will argue that it's cruel to shoot an inocent defensless animal or guns are dangerous, etc. Just like the comments that go on here about drifting.

So.... Why really do you not like drifting? I'd say it's just because those who don't just like racing better. Why do drifters not like racing? See, it is just a stupid question that stirs the pot to going way off topic on peoples opinions on why their opinion is better than someone elses.

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...peoples opinions on why their opinion is better than someone elses...

Exactly!
That is why these threads stir up so much needless animosity and are ultimately pointless, it's all been said before, it usually spirals down into arguments and insults, and at the end of the day its about personal taste and choice. No-one can have a monopoly on their own preferences being more relevant, valid or imortant as the next persons.
Live and let live, relax in the splendour of diversity and count your blessings we are all getting something a little different out of our own enjoyment of this fine sim.

Two things - Drifting:Fast and Furious. Racing:Gumball Rally. Get off your moral high horses 'cause both sports have their share of dickheads.

And there are tree huggers who hate the bloody lot of you

great 1st post i am not being sarcastic for a change lol.

welcome to lfs

Quote from Gunn :

So much to learn in this world and so little time. Why waste it bickering?

Because there is nothing to learn, and plenty of time ?

Quote from nihil :

And there are tree huggers who hate the bloody lot of you

"Tree huggers" creates a distubing image when used in the context of a racing community. Or is it just my morbid mind ?

Quote from Becky Rose :

Many members of the community are racers, they are not here for syncronised swimming, ballet, or gymnastics, but to race cars. No part of drifting is about racing, it's about car control within a very limited field, and does not use many of the same skills a racing driver uses - which is what the majority of the community is interested in.

That's not to say drifting is in some way wrong, but it's like publishing a rugby movie - nobody cares.

very well said

Racing is finding the fastest line. Drifting is a total waste of time, and showing off.

I can`t find any reason to start drifting And I will never, ever "respect" a drifter, even if he/she was the worlds best drifter.

Quote from alland44 :

Racing is finding the fastest line. Drifting is a total waste of time, and showing off.

I can`t find any reason to start drifting And I will never, ever "respect" a drifter, even if he/she was the worlds best drifter.

Thats YOUR opinion, u dont have to insult drifters.

Quote from alland44 :

very well said

Racing is finding the fastest line. Drifting is a total waste of time, and showing off.

I can`t find any reason to start drifting And I will never, ever "respect" a drifter, even if he/she was the worlds best drifter.

. . you can say the same thing about racing. you are driving around in circles finding the fastest line to nowhere. Wasting fuel, wasting tires, and hours you could spend "doing something else that isn't a waste of time". racing around a track for what? With drifting its about making the car oversteer and controlling a slide while trying to get as big angle and speed as possible.

Please people use that gray matter between your ears. If you dont have the capacity to apreciate something, then i guess its just your loss.


this is futile. seriously nobody posts in this thread to learn.

Quote from Gabkicks :

this is futile. seriously nobody posts in this thread to learn.

Welcome to the internet.

Quote from Gabkicks :

. . you can say the same thing about racing. you are driving around in circles finding the fastest line to nowhere. Wasting fuel, wasting tires, and hours you could spend "doing something else that isn't a waste of time". racing around a track for what? With drifting its about making the car oversteer and controlling a slide while trying to get as big angle and speed as possible.

Please people use that gray matter between your ears. If you dont have the capacity to apreciate something, then i guess its just your loss.


this is futile. seriously nobody posts in this thread to learn.

No !

Drifting is nothing but SHOWOFF - Don`t compare it to racing, because racing is an exact sport, which can be measured - No style characters and showoff points.

Drifting is like wrestling - The Americans style Those fake wrestlers simulating a real figthing sport

But you and your friends can drift as much as you like. I have no problems with that. As long as you enjoy Lfs your way

But when you compare racing with drifting, in a public forum, I will say what I mean

I really don`t understand drifting, neither I feel for it. I have seen those crazy japanese in their drift competitions - But only for 4 minutes or so
The same japanese people also loves to stand in a game arcade, watching tiny steel balls drop down from the top. Hundreds of those small steel balls is passing, and only japanese people understands this game - And feels for it

So !
You keep drifting, I keep racing and : You don`t drift on a racetrack near me - LOL !

thx for reinforcing my point even more
Josh barnett isnt a fake wrestler. he is one of the top 3 fighters in the world in mixed martial arts. please try not to sound so ignorant. that is him tossing yuki kondo on his head for the pancrase belt if i remember correctly.

he's a master of catch wrestling.

Quote from Gabkicks :

great 1st post i am not being sarcastic for a change lol.

welcome to lfs

Cheers! I should really leave it at that, but...

Quote from alland44 :

I really don`t understand drifting, neither I feel for it.

Priceless. I mean, what drives you to make such ignorance public? And then to follow it up with some vaguely racist comments. Really classy... Oh, and adding a smiley doesn't make it any less obnoxious