Quote from george_tsiros :

If i could understand what you are typing, i would think about it.

maybe i should reconsider on punctuation

Actually they don´t.
Plus tyres always slide. If they don´t slide, they won´t develop any lateral force.

Quote from george_tsiros :

"geotropic force" ? maybe you mean centripetal force? i'm a physics major, yet i have never met a force called "geotropic".

Geo = earth

Geotropy = that growths towards the earth

Geotropic Force = Force that growths towards the earth.

maybe you are more familiar with the term downforce.

Quote from Alkanphel :

F1? He's talking about rally!! Wad's it gotta do wif F1? I'd like to see F1 drifting...

:google:

if you'd watched any old F1 reviews, you'd hear the drivers referring to the sliding aroudn the corners as drifting. omg... i would elaborate but there is really no point since i've already seen discussions like this hundreds of times and they still pop up because people are scared of the search button.


there is so much ignorance in this thread and unwillingness to learn.

Exactly Gab :up:

Old F1 drivers were describing exactly what I was on about in my earlier post - four-wheel drift. It is very different to back-out show drifting. You couldn't four-wheel drift a modern F1 car - and you don't need to - but pre-wing and pre-slick you had to in order to be fast. Anyone who's a decent driver in the UF1 or LX cars can tell you that some slight four-wheel drift can be very valuable for maintaining corner speed. People need to know that drift does not always mean slowing right down, kicking the rear out and smoking the rears through a corner. FnF Tokyo Dorifto has a lot to answer for.

This confusion between show drift (for want of a better term) and four-wheel drift is understandable, but this is the 21st century and Google is your friend. If you're shooting the breeze at this forum, you've got time to google things you don't understand and educate yourself. There really is no excuse for posting anything without checking what the facts are first

Quote from Hankstar :

There really is no excuse for posting anything without checking what the facts are first

You are right but unfortunately the 21st century also is producing people that can gain a lot of head knowledge (education) but little practical application of that knowledge (common sense) didn't they predict this would happen "information overload", "can't see the wood for the tree's" and the like

The search button is indeed a powerful tool, little understood by the masses, who the statistics show primarily use it to look for porn maybe that explains a lot

Quote from coyote_ar :

Geo = earth

Geotropy = that growths towards the earth

Geotropic Force = Force that growths towards the earth.

maybe you are more familiar with the term downforce.

Downforce, i know. the geotropic phenomenon, however, is something related to gardening, not racing. Forces don't "grow".I do not know what "geotropy" could mean, but in greek (it's a greek word written using latin characters anyway) it does not mean "that which grows towards the earth". And if you call "downforce" by the name "geotropic force", then it is wrong, because "geotropic" is related to gravity while downforce is related to aerodynamics.

anyway.

i am not here to give or receive greek lessons. Also, i do not think i can understand you at all.

I myself race and drift. Most of the times however, I drift. Seeing as I never learned to race and concentrated on being good at drifting, I never thought much about driving techniques. Although, I now find that many of the techniques are transferable. Much of what I learned through drifting in means of weight transfer, heel and toe, trail braking, and so on are used every lap of a race. So in my opinion, in terms of car control, drifting and racing are not so entirely different. The fact that many racers can also drift is proof enough of this.

Drifting was dirrived from rally racing in an effort to go faster in the mountain passes, however, it soon developed into more of a way to show off your car control. This aspect has been lost in LFS if you ask me. Many new people coming into the drifting scene are very young and have no concept of technique. This gives the older and more serious drivers such as myself and others a bad reputation.

Not all drifters are bad, but a majority of them have attitude problems that need to be adressed. But this is the Internet, so a 10 year old can act like a 30 year old and no one can say anything to make him stop. This is a major problem that is slowly distancing me from drifting in LFS. But this is also an issue in racing no doubt, but it just doesn't seem to be as prominent. I feel this is the biggest deterrent for anyone who looks upon drifting as any sort of a serious endeavor. They are quickly discouraged by these immature few that taint the sport. And to try and compare modern drifting to anything in the past is rediculous.

F1 drivers used these techniques to negotiate rough courses with ill handling race cars and under developed tires. Due to the changes in technology, drifting has become merely another way to show off. Not a form of racing, or way of becoming a faster driver. But in the end, its all a matter of opinion.

No one is right or wrong. Drifting or Racing, its all based on individual preference. To say one is better than the other is not possible. You cannot create a general consensus from only one opinion. This is a decision you have to make for yourself. I trust that you will all look at both sides of the story and find which one suits you better.

+1
...summed up quite nicely - the problem are the people

Yeah, nicely put :up: People suck

Quite often, people who find themselves part of a new minority in an existing area of competition (such as drifters, the newbs of the motorsport world or, back in the day, snowboarders, in-line skaters [goddam boot-scooters ], all-terrain skateboarders) feel a need to prove themselves. Fair enough! Passion is to be respected. Some people take it much too far though - seeing any criticism, any attempt to point out obvious facts (like "drift contests, by their very nature, aren't races") or even simple clarifications (such as the significant difference between 4-wheel drift and competition drift) as an all-out attack on the legitimacy of their chosen sport, or even on themselves personally. The responses from many of these people have been seen in this thread and always pop up in threads about drifting (leading to the negative stereotype we're all unfortunately familiar with). This is fundamentalism at work - it doesn't just apply to religion. It's also not peculiar to drifters - many racers have a similarly one-eyed and aggressive view of racing and have a hair-trigger when it comes to drift-bashing. This only serves to reinforce negative stereotypes that drifters may have about racers. Whatever you're doing, if you're convinced your way is the only way and you will not accept honest discussions or debates about it, you're a fundamentalist whether you like it or not and regardless of whether it's you driving a car, or a god driving you.

Quote from RS-R DriftDancer :

I myself race and drift. Most of the times however, I drift. Seeing as I never learned to race and concentrated on being good at drifting, I never thought much about driving techniques. Although, I now find that many of the techniques are transferable. Much of what I learned through drifting in means of weight transfer, heel and toe, trail braking, and so on are used every lap of a race. So in my opinion, in terms of car control, drifting and racing are not so entirely different. The fact that many racers can also drift is proof enough of this.

Drifting was dirrived from rally racing in an effort to go faster in the mountain passes, however, it soon developed into more of a way to show off your car control. This aspect has been lost in LFS if you ask me. Many new people coming into the drifting scene are very young and have no concept of technique. This gives the older and more serious drivers such as myself and others a bad reputation.

Not all drifters are bad, but a majority of them have attitude problems that need to be adressed. But this is the Internet, so a 10 year old can act like a 30 year old and no one can say anything to make him stop. This is a major problem that is slowly distancing me from drifting in LFS. But this is also an issue in racing no doubt, but it just doesn't seem to be as prominent. I feel this is the biggest deterrent for anyone who looks upon drifting as any sort of a serious endeavor. They are quickly discouraged by these immature few that taint the sport. And to try and compare modern drifting to anything in the past is rediculous.

F1 drivers used these techniques to negotiate rough courses with ill handling race cars and under developed tires. Due to the changes in technology, drifting has become merely another way to show off. Not a form of racing, or way of becoming a faster driver. But in the end, its all a matter of opinion.

No one is right or wrong. Drifting or Racing, its all based on individual preference. To say one is better than the other is not possible. You cannot create a general consensus from only one opinion. This is a decision you have to make for yourself. I trust that you will all look at both sides of the story and find which one suits you better.

Well put keith! If people still want to look at drifting as the red-headed step child, thats fine. Just remember, atleast we do turns...illepall dragging illepall





j/k i love all in motorsport

wow Keith, that's the least spelling mistakes I've found of all your posts.

lol.

I helped him

You guys are forgetting where drifting started. On that like, Japanese mountain, street racing. They used it to cut the corners of the mountain without slowing down to a near stop. They raced, didnt count points and didnt try to ONLY overtake by drifitng. Thats racing in every sense of the word. I think someone will eventually come up with a concept for drift racing. For instance, on turn x x and x you MUST drift (Pass a certain angle relavant to the apex or something to be considered a drift) No extra points are awarded for a better drift then the other. But the point of the RACE is to finish first.

If one doesnt drift a turn you MUST drift maybe time deductions could be in order or something along those lines. Anyway, my two cents

Quote from priestizzle :

You guys are forgetting where drifting started. On that like, Japanese mountain, street racing. They used it to cut the corners of the mountain without slowing down to a near stop. They raced, didnt count points and didnt try to ONLY overtake by drifitng. Thats racing in every sense of the word. I think someone will eventually come up with a concept for drift racing. For instance, on turn x x and x you MUST drift (Pass a certain angle relavant to the apex or something to be considered a drift) No extra points are awarded for a better drift then the other. But the point of the RACE is to finish first.

If one doesnt drift a turn you MUST drift maybe time deductions could be in order or something along those lines. Anyway, my two cents

You don't need a 'concept' or special rules. If you want 'drift racing', you have to devise race tracks or courses where the fastest way around the corners is to drift - so those who don't drift or drift badly will not have a chance of winning.... You'll probably want to have a fairly loose surface.... and maybe time the cars rather than have them all start together - to avoid the obvious T1 problems when everyone gets sideways together... Maybe you could use existing roads and tracks for this... snow/ice might be good as well... amazing no-ones already done this really

drifting can help you see a good racing line for grip.

Quote from Ebolamonkey :

drifting can help you see a good racing line for grip.

yeah, as you drift wide round the turn, the extreme angle you are at lets you watch the 'grippers' steam past on the inside and see the lines they take

Quote from col :

yeah, as you drift wide round the turn, the extreme angle you are at lets you watch the 'grippers' steam past on the inside and see the lines they take

:ices_rofl

I think drifting helps you make corners easier... But in some ways i guess its innapporiate... I'm talking as a drifter my self ( not in real life). Its like competing and you kinda need to speed and who finishes first with the most points wins.. I would say its much like a race.... But I don't know about your opinoins..

I'm speaking as a demo drifter.... Drifting is what its all about in demo and some drag...

I think the thread title should be changed to something like this:

Why dosen't people like drifting in LFS?


Like it is now it suggests that the author have the solution to why drifting is so (relatively) unpopular in LFS, just remove the question marks.
Hosetly, you can't formulate a question in that way that the thread starter have done here.

my opinion on drifting. I don't really like it. It is a messy type of driving. I am pretty good at it. in my opinion drifting is ok if on a seperate sever.

drifiting is fun, but unfortunalty the tyres dont last, like a 1/2 a lap if the track is big other then that its really fun, especially on auto X tracks that some people are making

Yea, i drifted the XRT on BLGP Reverse for 2 laps and the tyres went red-hot.
Drifting is not racing... Grip-racing is definitely faster than drifting. Before anyone wants to argue on this, lemme point out that almost all drift competitions decide the winner not by the finishing order, but by points the driver scored by performing tricky and difficult drifting... so technically its not racing...

:uglyhamme @ the terminology "noobness" in this thread. all the anti drifters are having seizures right now

I already died :bananadea:banghead::something


The way drifting is made out to the public it's not racing. It could be possibly so that drifting would be the fastest way around the track, but then your heading into WRC realm anyways and I wouldn't consider that drifting.

Drifting does require control of a vehicle and it's ok to watch, fun sometimes but to me it's not racing it's an art form like figure skating or ice dancing. You never hear the Figure skaters say they are trying to go as fast as possible around the rink do you?