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Im affraid you have no clue at all because its a well know fact that amd allways had more problems with overheating compared to intel cpu´s.

known by WHO exactly?

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If you have any cpu running without a fan it will either blow up or the bios will shut down,

without ANYTHING on the CPU, it will die in about 10 seconds. With the stock heat sink and fan, but with the fan OFF, it will run at quite hot temps (55 degrees) when idling, and die when you give it lots of load.

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And a dual core cpu (2 cores at one unit) without a fan? yeah dude maybe with watercooling or slowed down to 10 mhz.

in my original post i said "low powered A64" - dual core proabably wouldn't survive - but either way a Core 2 Duo or P4 Dual Core wouldn't run under full load with no fan either!

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HT wont slow down anything but the opposite of that.

as i said, in BENCHMARKS it will, as it is a bodged version of Dual Core, it doesn't do it anywhere near as well though, and as such for BENCHMARKING turning it off gets better results.

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64 bit & HT are Gimmicks haahah thats the a good one...

as of NOW, they are - and until software is coded with them in mind they will be, and seeing as the Dual Core wave is spreading fast, it wouldnt suprise me if HT was quickly forgotten!

IM going to stop know, because this isn't going anywhere pretty!

yupp, what a waste of time :doh: ->:google:

Guess i just misunderstood you then. So many language barriers, i cant avoid them somehow

cheers

im going down to pc world tommorw for this

E Systems 104

Price £199

Processor Intel Pentium 3 3.20 Ghz

Hard Drive 80 GB

RAM 256 DDR Ram

System Windows XP Home Edition (I'm upgrading to Pro)

£199 for a P3?!

What graphics card does it have?

256 Mb of ram with XP will be... fun

haha that is the sale of the century. Meaning if you buy it we won't let you hear the end of it for a century.

i remember a PC Pro a while ago with a title of "P3 Power for under a grand!"








This was in 2001

Err, I think he meant Pentium 3(.2 Ghz), and therefore a P4, not P3.

If that PC has not got integrated graphics I'll be very suprised.

You can get a bargain in PC World..once in a blue moon. I got my base system from there - Athlon64 3400/MSI board/120GB HD/1GB DDR/DVD+/-RW & XP home, for £190. Yes £190 new - boxed, everything but the screen with warranty etc. The CPU is an OEM Venice based one so clocks nicely upto ~A64 4000 speeds. That was last August.

Keep in mind though it'd been on sale for so little time the fellow was still putting other stock out with it

Yeh for 199 or AUD$500 you don't get much.

$500 AMD Box:
CPU: AMD AM2 3200+ 940-Pin $118
Motherboard: ASUS M2NPV-MX $89
RAM: 512MB Kingston DDR2-533 $76
HDD: Seagate 160GB SATA $79
GPU: Integrated Nvidia Geforce 6150
Case & PSU: CoolerMaster RC-532 w/ 380W PSU $102
Optical Drive: Pioneer 111D DVD-RW $45

Probably a better deal to build yourself. That's a good start, you can always save for a graphics card later and upgrade the onboard, although the 6100 isn't too shabby, better than anything intel have.

no a pentium 3 3.2ghz
but they upgraded it flor free

E systems 214

DDR Ram : 512 mb

Monitor 17" CRT - 15" TFT

Hard Drive 160gb

Pentium 3 (Celeron D) 3.33 ghz

the only problem is it has intergrated graphics....

EDIT ill show you a pic later

Gigabyte GA-M55S-S3, nVidia nForce 550, AMD 64/X2 AM2 ATX
PCI 2, PCI-E x1 4, PCI-E x16 1, DDR2-800/667/533/400, SATA-RAID, Gb LAN, FW, USB2.0

AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 2.0G/1.0GHz AM2, 512KB
With stock fan

Kingston, 1024MB 533MHz DDR2-RAM DIMM
Single stick

Seagate Barracuda SerialATAII 7200.10 250.0GB 16MB
8.5ms, 7200rpm, 16MB, SATA300

MSI NX7600GT-T2D256EZ 7600GT 256M tv PCI-E
256MB GDDR3-RAM, nVIDIA GF 7600 GT, S/Video-out, 2xDVI-out, PCI-Express. Silent heat pipe cooling.


There you go, ignore links unless you can understand Finnish.

One more thing: If your CPU fan fails, your CPU will not die, burn, explode, melt or go up in smoke no matter what people say. Your comp will only crash and refuses to boot until temperature drops to safe level. The heat sink alone will keep the rise of temperature slow enough to allow mobo and CPU fail-safe to act in time and cuts power to the system.

I've got a Dell, my 2nd PC and my dad's had multiple Dell laptops. They are quite a pain sometimes, the customer service wasn't really that good but i think they're becoming more posey rather than forgetting about the image and concentrating on the actual designing of the system.