Ok... on any track less wide than Aston... why is it no one can get past turn 1???

I mean for example today... on blackwood gp.. 13 guys in XF R's... at least 2 guys couldnt get past that first very very slight corner... and i havent been playing very long but i know this by now... and i just kept off the racing line on the inside.... guess what? everyoebn goes thundering down on their brakes at 75m and nxt thing i know.. half the leading pack is all out on the pit lane exit area... i just glide thru on teh inside... to pick up 5th place from 10th or so...

i always look at the guy in front of me and throttle off before the brakign point... just to give my self more chance when he brakes... but why cant other poeple be like this????


Its annoying!!

hahaha sometimes its great fun tho...

Public servers, and i'm guessing u were in [DSR] server tonight. Most people were hanging over, LOL.

It's usually just a case of inexperience, vehicle warping or over-enthusiasm (or all three). T1 can decide how the rest of a race plays out, so gaining any positions there can be a massive help. However, it also takes good judgement and driver skill in carrying out any overtaking maneuvers there because of the close-proximity of the other vehicles. I always take my foot off the gas before the braking point and apply just enough braking pressure to turn on my brake lights, just to coerce whoever is following into applying brake pressure earlier than necessary and avoiding any situations. Then I just concentrate on making it through. Once going through the corner I try to give any drivers beside me as much room as possible, often letting them pass to avoid incidents if it's too close.


A very useful technique I've found is braking softly just a split-second before the corner's braking point to shift the weight over the front wheels and then applying further force as necessary to match the braking of the leading car. It allows you to be in a braking situation before the leading car and gives you more control in deciding how to proceed, such as slipping up the inside if possible. It seems to me that noobs in general tend to hit the brakes when the leading car does and most of the time it ends in a crash.

Overall, though, it's about respect for your fellow racers and doing anything you can to avoid contact, even if it means letting someone by. You can always get them at the next corner if they're a slower racer anyway.

EDIT: I was guessing you meant the DSR server, too . It was pretty silly at T1, but people did seem to be crashing in weird places, yeah. There were a lot of 'less-experienced' racers there that I think contributed to some of the carnage. I usually race with names over cars so that I can keep track of the people who could be trouble...they tend to materialize during qualifying :P.

Very well put. That's the perfect mindset in my oppinoin.

My recent experience at Conedodgers Aston National is, I spectate until the grid is set. That puts me dead last (usually in 15th place or so). I ease up through the gears light on the throttle letting everyone else bash into T1. I slowly wiggle my way through the carnage that I can very easily see and avoid with my T1 braking at around 300-400 meters. Then I pull out and away from the carnage usually in 3rd or 4th, LOL.

You can complain, discuss, argue all you want here on the forums about the racestart T1 crashing. Nothing is ever resolved because the folks who can't handle T1, simply aren't active members of the forum.

We've been through this topic countless times in the last 2 years. It always ends up the same. Everyone agreeing what the problem is and how to avoid it. But those who are the problem, aren't here to read and discuss it.

I once again must suggest that we should have LFS Forum racing server, because it seems it should be near perfect what it comes to rules and respect on track. We have seen it countless times as you said mrodgers, everyone here agrees that racing rules and skill lacks on public servers and understand how it's done and are very good clean racers and can do it themself. Of course, locking out the noobies and non-forumers could be said a bit harsh, but there should be some place for us people who know how to race properly and survive T1. Althought I must say that even the best forums dwellers make mistakes, last time I was crashed out in T1 it was tristan There is of course servers with less bad drivers, just look for a server with non GTRs, something like LX6 makes the casual noob d/c very quickly.

hahaha yes i was on the DSR server.... crickey.. small world!!!!

Yeah i got 5th in that race which wasnt bad considering i started last of like 13,14 guys... it was a massive thrill for me on the first lap... omg.. that was the first time ive raced with that many people... the tension on the first lap was incredible... i couldnt believe i made it through turn one alive... hahaha that kind of tension is incredible me and my mate were laughing so hard when we cruised past all these guys up on the pit lane exit... just one guy is all it takes and the whole lot goes out... yeah but that was a very fun experience today... i was really going out my way to race cleanly.. letting clearly faster guys through and taking care with brakes and it was really a great experience. For all you guys today who raced fair and clean or tried to .. thanks a lot ... its really got me excited about this game!

what... most guys were hung over lol>>??

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hahaha yes i was on the DSR server.... crickey.. small world!!!!
what... most guys were hung over lol>>??

LOL yeah you got to remember the time differences I often get up in the morning to have races with guys that are in Europe being in the very wee hours of the morning for them and many times you will run accross a few drunk drivers! But they are also mostly the die hard LFS addicts so is always good fun

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I once again must suggest that we should have LFS Forum racing server

Excellent idea. Access to the server limited by post count, I take it? Then we could have multiple servers for people who are increasingly forum-addicted, culminating in a server which features only JakG and Tristan locked in an eternal battle.

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Excellent idea. Access to the server limited by post count, I take it? Then we could have multiple servers for people who are increasingly forum-addicted, culminating in a server which features only JakG and Tristan locked in an eternal battle.

And with wit like that I think you have earned a huge bonus and get to progress straight to Platnum level were you will join JakG and Tristan

I'll be stuck in the Bronze server for awhile :Kick_Can_

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And with wit like that I think you have earned a huge bonus and get to progress straight to Platnum level were you will join JakG and Tristan

I'll be stuck in the Bronze server for awhile :Kick_Can_

i have surpassed even "teh Tristan", muhahaha

oh no wait, thats nothing to be proud of...

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Why is it... everyone just cannot get past turn 1 cleanly???

...because, if I can make up 10 places in T1 i'll be a hero - and if I crash and burn I can vote to restart!

mwhahahAHAHA admin powah !

EDIT: I forgot the obligatory 'this is an ironic/sarcastic/dispairing post' disclaimer.

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...because, if I can make up 10 places in T1 i'll be a hero - and if I crash and burn I can vote to restart!

mwhahahAHAHA admin powah !

People just never realise that not everyone can make up 10 places at the same time, although time and again, everyone will try anyway to bend the laws of time and space

Quote from Becky Rose :

...because, if I can make up 10 places in T1 i'll be a hero - and if I crash and burn I can vote to restart!

LOL Nothing drives me more nuts than that if I start towards the end of the pack and after T1 chaos find myself in a pretty good position to make a good go of the race, only to have all the T1 offenders successfully restart the race That happened repeatedly the other night on a server with XFG and XRG's. The XRG's were up the front and kept making serious mistakes taking each other out then restarting the race illepall

I just don't understand that mentality myself even if I get caught up in the chaos at T1 it doesn't phase me as I see it then as a challenge to make the best of a bad start and see how many places I can make back

Everybody, which hit a fellow racer, in a turn - Should get punished instantly. Ban for a couple of hours or so

The car behind, is responsible in not hitting the car in front of it. It`s as simple as that

And the "SUPER DE LUXE MAXIMAZISED WORLD CLASS" drivers (in their own mind), who fearlessly throws the car inside of you, thus you are driving the race line, and steps on the brake, because he/she is far from the raceline, and forces lots of cars behind him/she, also to step on the brakes

To many people, know nothing about gentlemanship, and before we start to really punish the "wreckers" - Absolutely nothing will happen
As Lfs is today, wreckers are rewarded - sad but true

Most of the time as said is due to inexperience! What really gets me is when a few drivers all start arguing about it illepall
Also I hate it when someone blames lag when they clearly were not lagging Meh...

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LOL Nothing drives me more nuts than that if I start towards the end of the pack and after T1 chaos find myself in a pretty good position to make a good go of the race, only to have all the T1 offenders successfully restart the race That happened repeatedly the other night on a server with XFG and XRG's. The XRG's were up the front and kept making serious mistakes taking each other out then restarting the race illepall

I just don't understand that mentality myself even if I get caught up in the chaos at T1 it doesn't phase me as I see it then as a challenge to make the best of a bad start and see how many places I can make back

Forget the Xrg`s - They have a special rigth to do what they want. Xfg`s have to wait, untill Xrg drivers, have made the turns. Xrg`s are allowed to drift Xfg`s off the track - Because they are hard to drive

I must warn for ironi, in this

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Most of the time as said is due to inexperience! What really gets me is when a few drivers all start arguing about it illepall
Also I hate it when someone blames lag when they clearly were not lagging Meh...

One persons computer can lag locally. You migth not notice that, in the start Low Fps, is kind of lagging too, and will often happen during starts.

the reason people cant get thru T1 (on computers)is because:-
In order of importance
1. lag n stuff
2. Braking too late and wiping people out accidentaly
3. braking too early and causing a bottle neck
4. people using the normal line and turning in on people on the inside


in my opinion, and most peoples who know what they are doing, the ideal line is never used in lap 1 turn 1 because it leaves your inside open to attack, everyone should bunch up on the inside to defend and attack. check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQpPwrp3NdM

Quote from Blackout :

I once again must suggest that we should have LFS Forum racing server, because it seems it should be near perfect what it comes to rules and respect on track. We have seen it countless times as you said mrodgers, everyone here agrees that racing rules and skill lacks on public servers and understand how it's done and are very good clean racers and can do it themself.

lol, sorry, but I don't believe that. No offense intended, but It's one thing to write stuff in the forum about how well *I* behave under race conditions and how well *I* obey to racing rules and how well *I* can stay in perfect control of my car in T1 and that it's always *somebody elses fault*. Acting accordingly on a server in the heat of the battle is something completely different, though - as we all here on the forum should know just as well

The thing is: People desperately want to win... So, in a three lap race, starting from the back from the pack, you'll have to make up quite some places and where is the best chance to pass several people quickly? Right, at T1, where the field is close together...

This is exactly what's going on... I know this because there were funraces held by a league I drive in with quite short races and you could really see the mindset changing...

Increase the laps and watch the carnage fade away (the odd T1-crash by some inexperienced or overenthusiastic driver might still happen here and there)...

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lol, sorry, but I don't believe that. No offense intended, but It's one thing to write stuff in the forum about how well *I* behave under race conditions and how well *I* obey to racing rules and how well *I* can stay in perfect control of my car in T1 and that it's always *somebody elses fault*. Acting accordingly on a server in the heat of the battle is something completely different, though - as we all here on the forum should know just as well

Yes, there is a bit hidden message there but, in principle people understand the racing rules around here. Not like some people out there who have no glue about anything.

In any case, a forum server would be fun.

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I just don't understand that mentality myself even if I get caught up in the chaos at T1 it doesn't phase me as I see it then as a challenge to make the best of a bad start and see how many places I can make back

If the race is more than a few laps long then I'll gladly initiate a restart from a very favourable position if there's carnage at T1 behind me, especially if it involves the more experienced drivers I'm used to battling. I come online to race in a field of cars, not the two or three that managed to clear the T1 chaos with me!

I only really find restarts annoying when just one or two people crash and the races are short (3-5 laps).

Regarding a special forum, what ever happened to the Clean Racer's Club? I was a member years ago but soon after joining I stopped racing because my University classes took over. Any chance of starting that up again?

I think the obvious answer would be that most people (especially on the internet!) are stupid.

If there would be damage with realistic levels, then people would learn to respect other cars and give space.

For example careless leaning to other car can blew your tire or two, if this kind of damage would be in LFS there would be less T1 carnage as factor of fear would be in game