http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3590578.stm

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6312

Quote from danowat :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3590578.stm

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6312

The cigarettes weren't smoked.

Useless test.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

Ah, a study by an organisation called the "Tobacco Control Unit".

Why diesel and not unleaded petrol? And why count only fine particles and nothing else? Perhaps that's the only combination they could come up with that would be "shocking"?

Can't beat the media, sensationalism FTW , as for diesel v petrol, I would say the majority of vehicles on the road these days are diesel

Quote from thisnameistaken :

I'm not so sure. I ought to try looking up some facts before I continue with this discussion, but I would imagine that a typical car at idle pumps out a good deal more toxins than a smouldering cigarette does. I've never seen any data concerning the chemical consistency of unleaded fuels though, so I don't know how deadly they are in comparison to cigarette smoke. But again, I'd be willing to bet there are more carcinogens in there than there are in my fags.

Well if you divert the cars exhaust to the cars cabin and your in it, you will die but that's mostly because of the level of carbonmonoxide, carbonmonoxide is also present in smokes...

I think the best way is to give up cold turkey... but that needs a very defininte descion. Otherwise I'd think slowly coming down from you nicotine addiction by using patches and gum is the best alternative as at least that way you have stoped taking in the many other hamful chemicals and stop filling your lungs with tar.

Either way needs will power, so list the reasons you want to quite and then post those reasons in prominate places were you will see them all the time. Make a big sign with WILL POWER written on it and plaster it above you LFS rig or on your bedroom wall, keep a diary about your feelings and how you are going. Talk to people about it which your already doing.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

Why diesel and not unleaded petrol? And why count only fine particles and nothing else? Perhaps that's the only combination they could come up with that would be "shocking"?

Maybe because those fine particles are the very ones people are afraid in cities and are said to have serious effects on your health. So, that's why they counted the fine particles you would think getting only from traffic and killing ya all!

Quote from Bean0 :

The cigarettes weren't smoked.

Useless test.

The car was not driven


Anyway... I wish you good luck with your effort Kev.

Quote from danowat :

Can't beat the media, sensationalism FTW , as for diesel v petrol, I would say the majority of vehicles on the road these days are diesel

Maybe in your country, or in your town, but go to US for example, not many diesel cars around, here those has been increasing in numbers, but still far less than petrol. I think that in France it was petrol cars that are very rare to find, they mostly drive diesels, I think that they have this more green diesel too by law. Can't remember all of what I have read, though.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

I liked all your other advice but the above... makes me want to smoke! Even talking to danowat in here makes me want to smoke, just to piss him off!

:chairs:

I think I'll get this poster and put that on my wall instead.

SMOKE SMOKE SMOKE SMOKE SMOKE

Go on, you know you want too.............hmmmm..........lovely smoke.

p.s. it will piss me off greatly

Quote from JTbo :

Maybe in your country, or in your town, but go to US for example, not many diesel cars around, here those has been increasing in numbers, but still far less than petrol. I think that in France it was petrol cars that are very rare to find, they mostly drive diesels, I think that they have this more green diesel too by law. Can't remember all of what I have read, though.

Yeah, might be because the diesel isn't really that much cheaper to run here as there are all these illegal car/diesel-taxes, and the green diesel - yeah right...

I listed several ideas so that you could pick what might work for you, you don't have to do them all

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Yeah, might be because the diesel isn't really that much cheaper to run here as there are all these illegal car/diesel-taxes, and the green diesel - yeah right...

We have sure weird taxes when it comes to traffic or anything that might be fun or interesting, infinite boredom is only allowed emotion here

I could make my car to pollute really lot less rather easily, but it is practically impossible (or at least so expensive that it would be more than 10 times price of car) because it is one year too new, one year older car is precisely same there is nothing changed in production, but no, it is not allowed to use any % of brain in these laws, just some idiotic formal method that does not require any thinking.

So let's pollute enviroment and all that so that we are lawful good people illepall

When I drove bit more in year (around 100 000km) I had diesel and it did come cheaper, but if one drives very little it does not pay off.

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OK so I got myself a pack o' Cliffes, and the box says "Don't chew this chuddie until you've read the leaflet", so I open it, and there's a HUGE LEAFLET! I want a fag, NOT A ****ING LECTURE.

LMAO, hahahaha, you are going to be a barrell of laughs to be around for a while Kev, do us a favour will you?, set up a webcam so we can observe the long slow descend into insanity from a distance please

Quote from thisnameistaken :

OK so I got myself a pack o' Cliffes, and the box says "Don't chew this chuddie until you've read the leaflet", so I open it, and there's a HUGE LEAFLET! I want a fag, NOT A ****ING LECTURE.

What was the wallet damage if you don't mind me asking ?

Quote from thisnameistaken :

OK so I got myself a pack o' Cliffes, and the box says "Don't chew this chuddie until you've read the leaflet", so I open it, and there's a HUGE LEAFLET! I want a fag, NOT A ****ING LECTURE.

You go here maybe it helps, don't know I never got started smoking, could not find reason behind it

I say +1 to the webcam idea. Everyone, make sure you save any replays if you race Kev. I would like to monitor the descent into madness.

From a safe distance

It was Fresh Start my girlfriend worked for a couple of years ago. The service works, but a lot of it is patronising as hell. And it basically just covers the stuff I already said up in my first post

But seriously, "Relax with Dr Chris Steele". WTF is that?

I didn't read the leaflet.

My Instructions: If you want a fag, put gum in mouth. Chew until flavour is gone (actually, I think you're meant to put the gum in your cheek when it becomes strong flavoured, but I don't bother with that). Spit into a bin (not the floor, you disgusting fool!). No fag wanted (mostly, ish, a bit, sort of).

Did you really read the whole leaflet??!?!?

I'm not happy about the new "hooked" ad campaign. Apart from being friggin patronising, REALLY expensive for tax payers, and all-round ineffective and pointless, it was also quite distressing to watch.

Guess what I do, when I'm stressed.

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You'll get blisters.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

You'll get blisters.

I thought you went blind... or was it deaf

Quote from the_angry_angel :

I thought you went blind... or was it deaf

Pardon? who said that?

Quote from the_angry_angel :

I thought you went blind... or was it deaf

Blind, and you may start noticing hair on your palms.

If you really want to stop but have failed, you might want to read Allen Carr's Easy Way to Stop Smoking. Sorry if someone mentioned that but I don't want to read the whole thead about people's different methods of stopping and failing to stop - I did scan a few posts - I can offer my own experience though... finally successful.

The problem is basically in your mind (it is actually possible to stop without pain or going through hell) and Allen Carr will help to explain that to you and help you get yourself ready to stop. I smoked a lot of roll ups for years (full time for about 16 years - I used them and basically enjoyed them in all situations : working, thinking, waiting, driving, coffee, beer, before meal, after meal, before bed). But I wanted to stop after I started to actually feel the lung damage and as a wheeze sound was audible if I took a deep breath. I stopped after reading the book in 2005. But then I gradually started again until I was smoking quite a lot again in 2006. Finally I was annoyed and fed up with it as I felt again the damage to my lungs and the returning of the wheeze and feeling some small pains. So I stopped again while on holiday last year (summer 2006).

By the way, part of Allen Carr's instructions are not to use gum or patches. You addiction is fueled by the intake of nicotine and so taking nicotine just prolongs your addiction, making it longer before you will be free of it. His method is all about simply stopping, but getting your mind ready to stop before you do it. Also choosing the right time, because just before a stressy time at work, or the completion of a project, isn't going to be the right time to stop. You use cigarettes for your mental conditioning to such an extent that you will not be happy if you are stopping while performing complex tasks under high pressure - and you will just start again.

For me it took a long time for my desire for cigarettes to go away. It was some months before I could work very hard without smoking. I even want a roll up now sometimes. But I can't go to the shop and buy some tobacco, because I know that I will just start to smoke again. I am happy to be free from the endless cycle of smoking and the gradual destruction of my lungs.

serious suggestion(s) for the want-to-quitters here:
• Stop it completely - i.e. do not reduce the the cigarette count, that won't work really well, and it makes it easier to fall back to the normal smoking habits. Also try not to use other nicotine supplements (right word?), because it'll keep up your nicotine addiction, switch over to chewing gum or toothpicks (they are fun to have in your fingers or mouth ) or something you can distract yourself with
• Have a goal - makes it a lot easier to quit. Not a to easy goal too reach of course and reward yourself (or be rewarded) after not-smoking for half a year or something. Or bet - I lost lots of my hair on my head (remember the "jesus-with-a-muffler"-pic?), because the other person really stopped smoking and won a free ticket of creating a new haircut for me

At least it helped me 3 years ago to get from regular smoking to occasional somking (i.e. 3-4 times a month, when I'm drunk).
You could of course ask ATHome for his secret recipe, but I wouldn't recommend that. And I don't know if wants to have it public

Quote from thisnameistaken :

I'm not so sure. I ought to try looking up some facts before I continue with this discussion, but I would imagine that a typical car at idle pumps out a good deal more toxins than a smouldering cigarette does. I've never seen any data concerning the chemical consistency of unleaded fuels though, so I don't know how deadly they are in comparison to cigarette smoke. But again, I'd be willing to bet there are more carcinogens in there than there are in my fags.

I wouldn't count on that... The car industry has done many things in the last 10-20 years to ensure the toxic outlet of a car stays at a minimum to please the environmental lobbies across the globe...

The cigarette hasn't had such a development, in fact, the cigarette industry is left pretty much unresponsible (except some trials in the US) for the toxic waste of their product... Only now governments came to realise that cigarettes are in fact a threat to the health of their citizens and are beginning to take measures...

Stopping smoking is impossible while you're enjoying it. This is what's prevented me from succeeding every time so far. At the end of the day, I LIKE smoking. When I'm under pressure to stop, it's always because someone ELSE thinks it's a good idea. YOU have to have the mindset that you REALLY DONT WANT to smoke any more. If you don't have that, you've an impossibly steep mountain to climb.

When a cigarette truly is your enemy and not your friend. Not before.

Unfortunately for me, I'm not quite there yet.