right... then why does this all matter; no one ever said news was trustworthy so that renders this entire thread worthless

there is so much false information out there that once again i say... close this thread because it goes absolutely nowhere

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right... then why does this all matter; no one ever said news was trustworthy so that renders this entire thread worthless

there is so much false information out there that once again i say... close this thread because it goes absolutely nowhere

Erm sorry? Because we've pointed out that there is more than one group of terrorists in the world that aren't all connected to Iraq then our media is wrong?

Can't you just except that whatever the reasons for going to war there was no connection between the IRA/Al Queda/Saddam Husein so by invading Iraq the IRA/Al Queda were not going to be calmed down and that Iraq would only act as a smoke screen for more terrorism.

The IRA threat has been pretty much removed by peace talks rather than all out war which kind of shows something about British vs. American/Blair methods

I think it's really unfair to question the reliability of other forumers declaring this thread "worthless" just because you assert some lies that I don't assert. If you want to drag down the quality of this thread, fine, you can do it, and you have already done it, but if I were in you, I wouldn't do it.

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He is a supporter of this, or would you like to live in the days of the PRI again?

Days of PRI, days of PAN, every gobernant on mexico sucks.
And cool that bush support the NAFTA but that doesnt make him good.

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I think it's really unfair to question the reliability of other forumers declaring this thread "worthless" just because you assert some lies that I don't assert. If you want to drag down the quality of this thread, fine, you can do it, and you have already done it, but if I were in you, I wouldn't do it.

fine then let me start a thread about how dumb italy and england are?

yes this makes PERFECT sense......

No, it doesn't make sense. I didn't equate Italy to Prodi or Berlusconi, or Blair to England. Neither I do equate Bush and the United States, although your efforts may well lead to think that you're right about the United States.

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I see this argument a lot, that the war in Iraq was basically a kind of shoplifting expedition to grab oil. If you indeed subscribe to this argument, can I ask whether you think this makes any sense economically? Why spend billions on invading a country to grab the oil when you could get the oil far more cheaply by simply buying it on the open market?

There's lots of weapon industry in USA. American economy needs a war once in a while.

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He is a supporter of this, or would you like to live in the days of the PRI again?

Most people against slavery, so can you then say that most people are good?

No.

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we invaded iraq to help it; besides terrorists and plots for terrorist attacks in other countries (like yours), we also went in to save/set up the/a government..

Sorry to bring this up again, but can you please justify this comment? It is absolutely not true. The original reason the Bush administration gave for it's premptive invasion of Iraq was a direct and imminent threat to America and 'her allies'.
After the invasion, when NO WMDs were found (and I mean none), the Bush administration did a complete backflip and said the premptive invasion was to oust Saddam and bring democracy to Iraq.

It astounds me that anyone can fall for that crap.

The theory is that if you tell a lie enough times, eventually it becomes the truth. It seems to have worked on some people.

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The original reason the Bush administration gave for it's premptive invasion of Iraq was a direct and imminent threat to America and 'her allies'.

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Bush administration... ...said the premptive invasion was to oust Saddam and bring democracy to Iraq.

Sorry to butt in Semantically your argument doesn't really hold ground because the second quote complements the first instead of opposing it.

The way to prevent Iraq from being a further threat to America and her allies would specifically have been the toppling of S. Hussein and bringing of democracy to Iraq.

If you are specifically referring to the Bush administration claiming that there are WMD's in Iraq that need removing (and that it does not require a full-scale invasion) it doesn't clearly reflect what you wrote as the original reason for the pre-emptive strike, although you do mention them in the following sentence.

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After the invasion, when NO WMDs were found (and I mean none), the Bush administration did a complete backflip.

Maybe you forgot to read this bit.
I was making a point about Bush changing his reasons for the invasion after no WMDs were found. Sorry if it was confusing.

Just for the record, it's not all Bush. It's just that everyone likes to blame only Bush. Congress also voted yes to invade Iraq, including the idiot John Kerry who ran against Bush the second election and the idiot Hillary. Both of them, as well as all the other idiot Democrats who voted YES to invade, can't even make up their minds what they voted on record. They say they didn't support invading, then later say they supported and if they knew then what they know now, they wouldn't have, then the next instance, they have some completly different opinion. This is why Bush is currently in his second term as President. He says what he wants to do and does it. None of the BS spitting out one day to suit his political agenda or whom he may be speaking to, then something totally opposite the next day to suit his political agenda or whom he may be speaking to.

I love listening to quotes from Hillary's speakings. They are especially funny when you hear two different speeches right after one another. Like when she was rallying on how badly we need to tighten up illegal immigration laws and how bad illegal immigration is to our country and our economy, the the following week at a rally FOR illegal immigrants, she screams and hollars on how the illegal immigration laws are unfair and how they should have rights in our country that our citizens have as legal citizens.

The entire government needs to be wiped out and started over again, IMO. They are all crooked and corrupt. Nothing is "for the people, by the people". It is now "for me, by me".

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Sorry to bring this up again, but can you please justify this comment? It is absolutely not true. The original reason the Bush administration gave for it's premptive invasion of Iraq was a direct and imminent threat to America and 'her allies'.
After the invasion, when NO WMDs were found (and I mean none), the Bush administration did a complete backflip and said the premptive invasion was to oust Saddam and bring democracy to Iraq.

It astounds me that anyone can fall for that crap.

The theory is that if you tell a lie enough times, eventually it becomes the truth. It seems to have worked on some people.

The problem with what you're asking is that America doesn't need to justify anything. The sad truth is that American people are stupid and WILL fall for almost anything.

-They believed that citizens of Japanese ancestry were conspiring against the U.S. in WWII. Not one was ever found to be working with the Imperial Japanese.
-They thought George W. Bush was a good candidate for President (twice). Need I say more?
-They get distracted by minor "family value" political arguments when they should be talking about real issues. Last time I checked, Gay people getting married has less of an impact on the world than our horrible school system.

I'd list more but that'd be too depressing

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fine then let me start a thread about how dumb italy and england are?

yes this makes PERFECT sense......

Fine make a thread bashing Blair and how ineffective our government is and I'd come and join you in doing so, currently all he's doing is following Bush anyway in his foreign policy. At least he is following the Kyoto Protocol unlike Bush, if going about it completely the wrong way taxing the hell out of car drivers.

Lol, in Canada as long as I've been around we have never had a prime minister worth defending...

the easy truth: Bush is not a human, an animal or something else.

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the easy truth: Bush is not a human, an animal or something else.

LMAO.... Maybe he's the first human clone?, Perhaps papa bush's sperm stoped swimming, so he decided to call into the CIA lab one day to find out what they could do. It's just too bad the technology wasn't quite as advanced as it needed to be back then....lol