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What do you think about this?

Surely better areodynamics for everyone means better racing for the viewers?

Better Picture >> http://www.formula1.com/news/3764.html

Slick tyres too... time for some wacky 70s-like ideas it seems.
Can't wait for the return of turbo-charged engines...

Which reminds me - all those wishes for an F1-like car in LFS seem to be (approximately) coming true with next year's engine regulation changes.

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The Centreline Downwash Generating (CDG) Wing is effectively two small rear wings - one over each wheel - with a clear gap in between. This gap would create a wake in which a following car would generate more downforce, allowing them to run much closer to the car in front through corners, hence making passing easier.

Well the car is ugly, but there is no talk about the dirty air effect. I would assume that most of the dirty air is caused by the diffusor (the back of the car...whatevah it is called in english) and the rear wheels plus the rear wing. I just can't believe that they are offering this. Make the transmissions manual, no need to have clutch imho and get rid of the traction control. And there you go. 2.4L V8s are OK, 3litre v12s are ok too. But GP2 has 4litre engines :lovies3d:

Thats hidious. But it has a point though, more clean air to car driving behind therefore there should be more passes. But thats not a good looking car in any way... seems that FIA is just randomly doing stuff to F1, not cool

That is one whacky looking wing.... Now it looks like someone went and bought an import wing from Need for Speed :doh:

Jesus Tapdancing Christ that's ugly!!
Dunno if I really want to see cars that ugly to race, no matter how close it would be...

I bet the FIA go ahead with this idea to find out they've made matters worse just like this year All cars will have these rear wings mounted in the same place so surely the air being blowen over these two rear wings will disturbe the air flow to the following car

Why don't the FIA let them use the under of the car and less of the top minimizing the dirty air effect

Keiran

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All cars will have these rear wings mounted in the same place so surely the air being blowen over these two rear wings will disturbe the air flow to the following car...

Thats what I thought at first, then I started to really think about air flow. Look at the rainspray off of the cars. The rain comes off of the back of the car, but as you go further from the back of the car, the spray is more closesly concentrated towards the centre of the car. The airflow works the same way, so if most of the dirty air is focused in the centre, having the wings mounted on either side of the 'spray' will maximize downforce for a following car. At least, thats how I look at it. Seems logical to me, but admitedly I'm no physics expert.

I think that this is one of those things thats so ugly its cool. Like the Williams nose in 2003 or 2004... Plus, I'd imagine it would look significantly beter IRL.

MAGGOT

Well, here's a link to a graph comparing the airflow of the current design and the new concept one.

I say its great, love seeing how the teams handle the restrictions the FIA put on them and how long it takes for them to gain back the lost speed....real problem is the teams getting different ammounts of money to spend, should all get the same and see which is more efficient in how they use it.

looking at that graph i wonder if the speed they catch up on the straights from drafting will be gone since they should have more downforce following. ofcourse that might just mean every race the fastest cars are shuffled to the front and the slowers behind.

I am sure the sponsors won't like it.

Heh...just saw sport news on TV, they said that in next season quali is in 3 parts, somekind of dropping system, and tire changes are coming back! Tire changes are good I think, not sure about that qualify changing again...FIA just cant deside what to do and they try everything...

ye, I read that a few hours ago. The first round the five slowest drivers are knocked out, then the second round some more are knocked out. Then the final round is a 20 min stint where the remaining drivers try to get the fastest lap for pole

Why on earth do the FIA feel they should be designing F1 cars? That job should be down to the teams, wing shapes should not be laid down by regulation, there's no room for innovation in F1 now.

Haven't most of the wing shapes and designs always been regulated by the FIA? (in the past couple of years I think?)

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Why on earth do the FIA feel they should be designing F1 cars? That job should be down to the teams, wing shapes should not be laid down by regulation, there's no room for innovation in F1 now.

Uh... because the FIA is the governing body which lays down the design guidelines that are to be followed (after a voting) by the constructors?

Not only the wings but everything (tyres, engine, other aero stuff, height, weight) are strictly regulated by these design guidelines.

Changing the tire changing system again is just ridiculous. And changing the qualification again - can't they make up their minds? I guess it's cheaper to change the rules all the time than just have one set of them for a longer time

Luckily the man in charge of FIA, Max Mosley, is super talented smart F1 engineering specialist who know everything about everything. He even has a computer program for simulating passing! I wouldn't be even slightly suprized if we had 3litre engines back in 2009

LOL, they are even changing to wider slicks in 2008 :ices_rofl

I don't see it that bad... maybe strange, but not bad. F1 cars have changed a lot in the past, and I think they should keep evolving, specially if it allows closer racing, I don't agree with other FIA new rules, but this seems good, IMHO.

I think the general idea is to maximise mechanical grip and minimise aero grip, therefore as a percentage you must lose less grip when in dirty air.

I don't think the design is that air, and it will certainly make the cars look distinctive!

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Well, here's a link to a graph comparing the airflow of the current design and the new concept one.

Interesting. The only downside I can see is that if you get really close behind a car you're front wing is in the blue zone, so surely you're going to run wide? Better than spinning I suppose.

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Interesting. The only downside I can see is that if you get really close behind a car you're front wing is in the blue zone, so surely you're going to run wide? Better than spinning I suppose.

Well what puzzles me is that they don't mention any significant change of the front wing... I'd think it would need some extra changes as well (apart from the already introduced lower midsection) - the "clean air" will most likely be in the center of the leading car's wake and not behind the areas following the wings. I also think there might be extra tweaks to get the airflow coming over the tyres to be smoother because that's quite turbulent as well from what i've read. I think that design is more like a brainstorm idea that was jotted down on a napkin during a coffee break or something for the time being and released as a "teaser" or to get reactions.

When FIA launched the 1 tire set rule before previous season Max Mosley (the mastermind allknowing engineer man) said, if I remember right, that the rule was made to cut down costs. And now they get rid of it...when tires have been developed with big money, insane. Well, reason may be safety, Indianapolis ooor is it just that that pit crew looks a bit silly just refueling the car. Yeaa...and slicks are coming back, they were banned bacause safety issues to reduce corner speeds, and tires must be redone...again. FIA is like a teenage dictator with multiple personalities.

Think that

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Not only the wings but everything (tyres, engine, other aero stuff, height, weight) are strictly regulated by these design guidelines.

That's my point the FIA should not lay down such a precise formula, why force a V10 engine and the dimensions of the car so tightly. F1 should not be a single make formula, there are plenty of these which act as good feeder formulae.

The FIA hasn't always had this much control over the cars and I see no reason why it should do now, if F1 is to survive it needs variety. This define everything policy does not keep cost down because the big teams simply refine everything to a much finer detail.

Isn't the over-regulating of the cars an attempt to make them more similar in performance, so that we get closer racing? That, and to make sure nobody does anything silly.

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Isn't the over-regulating of the cars an attempt to make them more similar in performance, so that we get closer racing? That, and to make sure nobody does anything silly.

That was the idea, but you can have cars with very different characteristics racing competitivly against each other, also it is in an attempt to make it all about the drivers not the cars, which should not be the case, F1 should be as much about the teams as it is the drivers.

btw the rear wing was accepted by the teams so it will be 2007 instead of 2008