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Quote from Blas89 :Poor stewart dirty kyle

Stewart was already sliding the back end. How was Kyle suppose to get away from him when they are doing 185 mph. At that speed, they simply can not just turn down and around the other car. Nothing he could do. Tony's back end got loose, his car slowed down to 170 mph and Kyle is already right there on his bumper.

That is the thing with Nascar. You can all flame them for just turning left and the "how hard is that?" mentality, but they are running on the edge at all times. If they hit a pebble on the track wrong it can upset the car. The speeds are why you typically don't see anyone catching and recovering from a slide like you do in road racing.
dont forget to mention how air affects everything, air alone can take out alot of the cars through the turns

same way as it is in lfs, if you're in the middle of a turn and you start to draft someone (not on purpose, they get infront of you), chances are you wont make it out of that turn on the track
Quote from Sketchyrollin564 :[ snip funny stuff ]

I dont get how nascar is amusing. It literaly is just cars going around a big oval a bunch of times. Even better, 500 laps?

Of which at least 250 will be driven under yellow caution because one driver happened to fart in the wrong direction



Regards,

Ian
Quote from mrodgers :Stewart was already sliding the back end. How was Kyle suppose to get away from him when they are doing 185 mph. At that speed, they simply can not just turn down and around the other car. Nothing he could do. Tony's back end got loose, his car slowed down to 170 mph and Kyle is already right there on his bumper.

That is the thing with Nascar. You can all flame them for just turning left and the "how hard is that?" mentality, but they are running on the edge at all times. If they hit a pebble on the track wrong it can upset the car. The speeds are why you typically don't see anyone catching and recovering from a slide like you do in road racing.

Kurt could have let off the gas...but It's just a racing incident, and he admited to it.

I do think Tony would have won though!

But what a finish! Glad Harvick won, and not Mr.Viagra!
Quote from mrodgers :
That is the thing with Nascar. You can all flame them for just turning left and the "how hard is that?" mentality, but they are running on the edge at all times. If they hit a pebble on the track wrong it can upset the car. The speeds are why you typically don't see anyone catching and recovering from a slide like you do in road racing.

Quite right. As much as I loath NASCAR, it is by far not the easiest of motorsports. Takes some real endurance and concentration from the drivers to do that lap after lap.
and what a finish!
Harvick will be a force this year.
Quote from mrodgers :Stewart was already sliding the back end. How was Kyle suppose to get away from him when they are doing 185 mph. At that speed, they simply can not just turn down and around the other car. Nothing he could do. Tony's back end got loose, his car slowed down to 170 mph and Kyle is already right there on his bumper.

Oh well i didnt know that part of the story a friend told me that because i didnt see the race cuz my tv service is very bad.

Now i wanna see the final lap i cant wait to see it at youtube
Quote from DeKo :is daytona 500 on any normal UK tv channel? I.E something that isnt sky, although freeview is acceptable.

i believe it is on ch5 on sunday night.
Quote from XCNuse :dont forget to mention how air affects everything, air alone can take out alot of the cars through the turns

Air has caused some pretty massive crashes in the past. The crash that kille Earnhardt was all started because of air movement. (Marlin never didn't touch Dale's car, the air off his nose pushed the rear of the #3, forcing the slide).

Also, the crash in which Greg Moore lost his life was due to massive air turbulence caused by a gurney strip added to the rear wings of all the cars to slow them down.

And do I even have to mention Peter Dumbreck's insane series of backflips in his CLR at LeMans in '99? (Plus the 911 GT1 flip in the 98 petite, and the BMW LMR flip in 99)

For something we can't even see, air is one helluva powerful thing!
Quote from Blas89 :Oh well i didnt know that part of the story a friend told me that because i didnt see the race cuz my tv service is very bad.

Now i wanna see the final lap i cant wait to see it at youtube

Buddy: Did you see the race?
You: No, what happened?
Buddy: OMG, Kyle Bush crashed Tony out of the race!
You: No way!

You post on forum: Poor stewart dirty kyle
Others on forum: What do you mean dirty Kyle? He didn't crash Tony. Tony was sliding and there wasn't anything Kyle could do.
You: Oh, I didn't watch the race, only heard about it.

See why you don't post about something when you haven't a clue as to what you're posting about .

Quote from Ian H. :Of which at least 250 will be driven under yellow caution because one driver happened to fart in the wrong direction

Tis very true, though this isn't the fault of the racing, but the fault of the league business itself. The racing is good.

Quote from Racin Jason :Kurt could have let off the gas...but It's just a racing incident, and he admited to it.

That's true, but they can't just "let off the gas" on the restrictor plate tracks. If he had, then what happened to Tony would have happened to Kyle. They loose too much momentum when they have to lift off and it causes other incidents. Plus, what would have happened most of the time is with the way Tony lost the back end, normally he would have slid up the track and Kyle would have been clear to move past down below. It happens way too fast at 185 mph to react to anyways. He was definitely cool about it when he thought it was his fault and Tony played it pretty cool as well when he was interviewed before he could see the replay.
Quote from mrodgers :[ snip ]

Tis very true, though this isn't the fault of the racing, but the fault of the league business itself. The racing is good.

[ snip ]

I'll agree to disagree about the racing as ovals _really_ don't float my boat.. I think it's boring BUT I do understand the element of endurance of both the cars and drivers. I think the part that bugs me the most on the odd occasion I've seen some nascar action on TV here in the UK is that when someone spins, even if they're miiiiiiles away from the track (ie: absolutely no danger to anyone else) why they have to run 20+ laps of caution. Just about every other form of motorsport I can think of would assess the actual current situation not use a global blanket "someone crashed.. quick.. caution!" solution and let the race continue (similar to the call that was made at the end of the 2005 Aussie V8 Bathurst race IIRC for example where the organisers assessed things not to be "critical" in regards to safety and let the race finish under green).

I can understand that obviously yellow-flagging a section of the track isn't really possible like in a normal road-race but they don't seem to think beyond "someone crashed".. it doesn't make sense to me. If someone's spun and only 10' off the edge of the track, then fine as it's a possible danger to others, but they don't even seem to wait to see if the driver can carry on thus posing absolutely zero danger to anyone if they can rejoin the race 20 seconds after they spin out (ie: before the cars come round again for the next lap) they seem to throw a caution almost as soon as someone gets a bit out of shapre, whether they've left the track surface or not.. on the off chance that they might

I don't claim to understand nascar etc really... I have tried to watch some races to an extent (or at least highlights being in the UK without sky / cable tv) but interruptions for what appear to be no apparent reason end up making it boring and me left wondering what's really going through the organiser's heads. From what I hear (from US people who do like nascar), it's all about the $$$ these days and whether that plays any part in it or not (ie: slow the cars down for sponsor viewing etc) I have no idea but it does all seem rather pointless (the cautions) for at least 40% of the time.

I like fluidity in sport, be it motor racing or football etc.. watching something that's constant start stop start stop start stop becomes a chore to remain interested in.

Naturally just my opinion and as I say, I don't understand the intricacies as I've never been that interested, but some things just don't seem to make sense from a spectator PoV which surely must be high up on the agenda to get right as without spectators, there's no (or very little) sponsorship which in turn means less of a chance for people to run cars etc etc etc



Regards,

Ian
#37 - J.B.
First Nascar race I ever watched from start to finish (last time I tried I fell asleep).

All in all it wasn't that bad. There definately is an element of exitement when so many cars are so close to each other, with only a handful of laps remaining. Also some drama in there with P1 and P2 taking each other off after several hours of racing. I think I might be watching some more races this year but I can't imagine watching all 58 or however many there are.

It's kind of the same as with NBA. I used to watch it a lot but after a while I got a tired of the concept: everything that happens in the first three quarters is pretty much meaningless because the game usually gets decided in the timeout/tactical-foul/free-throw orgy right at the end. Not pretty.

In Nascar the equivalent would be the stint from the last caution to the finish. Drivers that had been as far behind as P40 during the race were actual contenders at the end. But then the finish itself was of course as Hollywood as can be: sun gone down, unexpected winner, burning car crossing the line upside down...

So, as I said, not as bad as I was expecting and I can see myself tuning in a few times in future, at least for the start and the finish.

One thing I have to say though is that Nascar is head and shoulders above F1 in terms of coverage quality. The cameras never seem to miss anything, you get all the different views you could dream of, usually while the commentators are still talking about an incident, not sometime later, they have technology that allows them to overlay the live speed of any car at any time, they can show you incidents in a 3D rendered enviroment based on GPS data of each car etc. Compare that to F1 which keeps on missing important on-track situations because they had to switch to Zsolt Baumgartner making a pitstop. Then you have to wait till after the race hoping that you might get to see some of the things you missed or maybe even some new camera angles of other incidents.

And I haven't even mentioned the fact that Nascar has been in HDTV for years (which of course I can't watch in TV challenged Germany), which on it's own already makes F1 coverage look very dated.

The pitstops in Nascar on the other hand a way to messy IMO. When I saw them all rush in during the first caution I was already thinking that it just doesn't look right to have so many cars threading (or spinning) their way between all the mechanics, who are running around and are trying to concentrate on performing a pitstop. This isn't 1950, there's no reason to put these, undoubtedly hard working people, in such a dangerous situation. Needless to say later in the race one man was run over by a car exiting the pits. Anyone know how he came out of it?

Having said that, at least the caution system actually works, in F1 it has always been a complete joke, with leading drivers going from first to last if they were unlucky with the timing of the safety car dispatchment. I think they changed something about this recently in F1 but I can't remember when or what.

PS: does anyone have any idea where there might be some downloadable sample clips of HDTV Nascar on the net? You'd think that somebody must have uploaded something to rapidshare or a torrent site after several years of FTA availability.

PPS: What's a trackbar?
Quote from mrodgers :Buddy: Did you see the race?
You: No, what happened?
Buddy: OMG, Kyle Bush crashed Tony out of the race!
You: No way!

You post on forum: Poor stewart dirty kyle
Others on forum: What do you mean dirty Kyle? He didn't crash Tony. Tony was sliding and there wasn't anything Kyle could do.
You: Oh, I didn't watch the race, only heard about it.

See why you don't post about something when you haven't a clue as to what you're posting about .



Hahahha yeah I'll think about it when it happens again
xD
#39 - th84
Quote from J.B. :

One thing I have to say though is that Nascar is head and shoulders above F1 in terms of coverage quality. The cameras never seem to miss anything, you get all the different views you could dream of, usually while the commentators are still talking about an incident, not sometime later, they have technology that allows them to overlay the live speed of any car at any time, they can show you incidents in a 3D rendered enviroment based on GPS data of each car etc.

In f1's defense...it must be alot easier to provide that good of coverage on a oval style track then it is on a road course style. Although, Ive always thought nascar's coverage of it's 2 road race's (man...i wish there were more) is also very good.


All the fancy bells and whistles do make it much more enjoyable.

Quote from J.B. :The pitstops in Nascar on the other hand a way to messy IMO. When I saw them all rush in during the first caution I was already thinking that it just doesn't look right to have so many cars threading (or spinning) their way between all the mechanics, who are running around and are trying to concentrate on performing a pitstop. Needless to say later in the race one man was run over by a car exiting the pits. Anyone know how he came out of it?

Ive wondered this myself many time's. Why not split the pack into 2 and let them come down in two group's......well that would mean that the second group would have no shot of using some pit road move (ie 2 tires or no tires) to gain position.

It's not very often that someone get's ran over as they did last night. I havent heard how he is doing, he must be ok or it would be all over the news. I do remember quite a few years ago a guy got killed when Bill Elliot ran him over in the pit lane. I think that's what brought about the 55mph limit in the pit lane. A couple years ago anohter guy got hurt pretty bad, thats when nascar decided to make helmets required for all pit crews. All in all i think they do a great job in the pit area.
There have been guys run over in F1 in the pits as well. Motorsports are dangerous, for anyone involved. If everything fails, that is true even for the spectators.
I stayed up to see this because I wanted to see how Montoya did. I fell asleep during the pre-show and woke up a few laps before the end. I thought I may aswell watch the end and see where he finished, and the next thing I know some early morning soap opera is playing.
the race was interesting but i give all my credit to the guy that slid on his roof over the finish line
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