i didn't mean to offend a whole continent by saying that the scca is just not compareable to the original rallycross in europe. sorry for that. the vids i saw looked like amateur events, maybe i saw the wrong ones .

as is said, citroen is developing its rallycars in the erc. basically the cars are lighter, more powerfull wrcs.

that the best drivers advance to leagues where more money can be earned is natural. certainly the best rallydrivers race in wrc.

i am a little puzzled though, if you where referring to the european rallycross how do you get those ideas you had about the cars?

rallying and track racing (which rallycross is), is just not compareable. you can't say one thing is more difficult than the other. the first one is about going as fast as you can without dying, the second one is about driving a short track perfectly and fighting against opponents.

again, sorry about the aggressiveness. i think it was 50% the language barrier and 50% that most of the guys who "dis" rallycross don't even know what rx really is.

and yes, i definately would like to see some decent rx tracks in lfs too. but more important would be a division 1 car for me.

I wasn't dissing rally-x; I quite like it actually. I was just expressing my opinions on the two (namely, rally>rallycross )

I had never mentioned SCCA in my posts though, so I'm not sure where you got that idea from. Yes, SCCA is mostly amateur and semi pro racing. I never knew SCCA did Rallycross, actually. I know there is a rally series, but I didn't know of a rallycross series. I'll have to check it out.

"if you where referring to the european rallycross how do you get those ideas you had about the cars?"

From what I have seen of rallycross (like I said, I haven't had a lot of exposure to it) it was mostly all cars that look like back-yard built machines. They don't look like professionally engineered vehicles, they look more like bangers. Old model cars with extensive modifications; not factory backed efforts with latemodel cars. But, like I said, I have have a limited exposure to it. (Geographical barrier I guess )

No hard feelings

well i am still not sure we are really talking about the same cars here.

just some examples of rx cars used in the european championship:

http://www.hansen-motorsport.se/kenneth_xsarawrc.asp
http://www.pailler-competition ... ccueil.php?action=voiture
http://www.toveksracing.se/swedish%20files/bil.htm
http://www.jernberg-motorsport ... h/innerpages/106BILEN.htm
http://www.vollandracing.de/ro ... and/skodafabia/index.html


i don't want to sound like a smartass here, but really don't think you are reffering to the european rallycross championship.

Quote from MAGGOT :

SCCA RallyCross is basically autocross (which is actually not called that. It's really called autotest) but in a field.

(Real) Rallycross is rally cars on a closed circuit that's part mud part dirt.

Quote from Fetzo :

well i am still not sure we are really talking about the same cars here.

just some examples of rx cars used in the european championship:

http://www.hansen-motorsport.se/kenneth_xsarawrc.asp
http://www.pailler-competition ... ccueil.php?action=voiture
http://www.toveksracing.se/swedish%20files/bil.htm
http://www.jernberg-motorsport ... h/innerpages/106BILEN.htm
http://www.vollandracing.de/ro ... nd/skodafabia/index.html

Ah, these I've never seen.

Quote :

i don't want to sound like a smartass here, but really don't think you are reffering to the european rallycross championship.

I never said I was I just said European.

Quote from chanoman315 :

I think this has been suggested before, anyway.
what lfs needs are real tracks, so the people can get more interested in this sim. So the race drivers can use it to practice a new track (track that they don't know in real life). This can be a great improvement in the Simraces world, LFS with this can be an unbeatable Simulator of races
And i know that having a track (a real one) costs money
Thanks

Only a suggestion

Since this thread has been completely derailed from its original idea I am going to drag it back on topic.

I will agree with the OP that with the level of realism LFS has attained and is likely to attain in the future having real Tracks & Cars or the ability to build them and place them in to LFS could elevate LFS from its current small nitch market of Sim racers and thrust it in to the light of the real racing comunity.

With the right content or the ablity to add content this sim could become a very real and effectice suplimental training tool for racing teams, racing schools and driving schools. This sim over any other has comtributed to my understanding of vehicle dynamics and car control. Its has proven to be a very valuable tool for me personaly.

Its definatly somthing the Devs should consider. The MRT and RAC are both small steps in to this idea and have proved to be a sucessfull venture. I do not see why more could not follow in the future. The DP1 looks to be a nice logical next step. After that maybe the comunity needs to start looking at and contacting other small vehicle manufactures and local tracks. Opening the lines of comunication is the first step.

nKPro is already heading down this road. SimBin has already made some good inroads but is currently locked to a poor base sim to build on. There are others to and if LFS ignores this new potential market it may never reatch its full potential.