Srly.

How the hell can they say they have done nothing wrong. They are boinking and related. You can't get any more wrong then that :|

4 children in 6 years, not bad going.

humpdeedumpdee

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4 children in 6 years, not bad going.

^^They are disabled. This couple is justillepall

Maybe condoms would have been a solution...

or visiting school...

or having at least some brain

That's what would help a few fellow racers, too!

greetz

der butz

They will see what was wrong when their children will have very bad health problems due to bugs in DNA.

And what a shame... Karolewski....:doh:

Thats just wrong!

Ewwww

Well spank my ass and call me sister...

afaik theyre from east germany which already answers a lot

/me throws rocks at Danny.

That's some messed up shit.

Ow, those rocks hurt. I agree its messed up but I agree with freedom of choice as well.

Funny think about this couple is that both were raised(?) in different families, they didn't know that they were siblings till they got thier first child. Weird they didn't stop making babies afterwards

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Ow, those rocks hurt. I agree its messed up but I agree with freedom of choice as well.

I'll come over to your house, beat the shit out of you, then kill you in front of your relatives, and molest any female relatives you may have. But that's my choice. Is that OK?

And if you argue that I'm damaging other people's lives while they are not, what about their children? Having children when you know they will have something wrong with them is child abuse as far as I'm concerned.

So its wrong to let disabled or terminally ill people have children? Its wrong to let people with the gene for, say, Down's Syndrome, even if they are not affected by it, have kids? I understand what you're saying and I would agree with it but it seems hypocritical.

It is hypocritical, and that should be banned too.

Ah well, we both agree its morally wrong anyway, lets leave it at that. Its not like them or the German government are gonna be influenced by two people talking on the forum of a relatively unknown game (sorry, sim)

If we think with feelings, everyone should have right to have babies.
If we think with reason, there is no point to let everyone have babies as expenses to community etc. are so high.

Mostly people deciding from these things are based decision to feelings as there are more people that does that, so it would be end of career to make decisions based to reason alone.

What is right and what is wrong then? Perhaps what majority does is right? Should speeding be then ok too?

There are bigger errors in world than this simple thing, let's move on

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So its wrong to let disabled or terminally ill people have children? Its wrong to let people with the gene for, say, Down's Syndrome, even if they are not affected by it, have kids? I understand what you're saying and I would agree with it but it seems hypocritical.

Downs isn't a good example, all sufferers are sterile.
I do think that in this day and age though, that because we can test for genetic defects like Downs at an early stage of pregnancy that they should all be aborted.

Seriously, why have a child that you know well before the birth will never be able to lead a normal life, will be a burden on the health service, and may not even live into it's teenage years.

Sorry if that sounds harsh, but I mean no offence to anyone here who has, or has family members with conditions like this.

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afaik theyre from east germany which already answers a lot

What do you mean? Do you think people from west germany are better?

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I agree it is wrong but that's my opinion. I think that if they really want to do it then let them. Their children may be disabled in some way but, like that article says, there are no laws against disabled people having kids. I'm not saying that it is right but that every human should have the right to be with the person they love, even if it is their sister

i have to agree, but only because (i thought that) it takes several generations of inbreeding for problems to occur - if they love each other, then fine, it doesnt spell a death knell for their children

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I'll come over to your house, beat the shit out of you, then kill you in front of your relatives, and molest any female relatives you may have. But that's my choice. Is that OK?

And if you argue that I'm damaging other people's lives while they are not, what about their children? Having children when you know they will have something wrong with them is child abuse as far as I'm concerned.

Well there's a clear balanced argument....not!
It's this sort of post that turns a discussion into a rant.
I'm not supporting these people but there's no guarantee that their offspring will be abnormal, there's an increased likelihood, which is why nature does not recommend this activity, and why your argument and strange reasoning is so flawed.

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Seriously, why have a child that you know well before the birth will never be able to lead a normal life, will be a burden on the health service, and may not even live into it's teenage years.

How do you define "normal life"? Or "normal" for that matter?

Maybe we should terminate all the people that have these conditions now too? What about people who lose a limb in an accident? They may not be able to live a "normal life" after that so should they be knocked off too? What about the blind? The deaf? The mutes? The poor? The obese? The alcoholics? The drug addicts? Where do you draw the line?

Besides those tests are NOT 100% sure.

Further more, if you start screening diseases what will stop you from starting to engineer "perfect" offspring? The right colour of hair eyes skin? Where will that lead?

Oh by the way. You cannot survive life.

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How do you define "normal life"? Or "normal" for that matter?

Maybe we should terminate all the people that have these conditions now too? What about people who lose a limb in an accident? They may not be able to live a "normal life" after that so should they be knocked off too? What about the blind? The deaf? The mutes? The poor? The obese? The alcoholics? The drug addicts? Where do you draw the line?

Besides those tests are NOT 100% sure.

Further more, if you start screening diseases what will stop you from starting to engineer "perfect" offspring? The right colour of hair eyes skin? Where will that lead?

Oh by the way. You cannot survive life.

A good example would be siamese twins. There's no way a 2 headed person can lead a 'normal' life. I understand that this is pretty easy to tell in the first stages of pregnancy.

Also, in the UK recently there was a case of a baby born with such disabilities that doctors didn't want to resuscitate her should she require it. The parents went to court to fight this and won. Now they have split up, and the child is in the care of social services as neither individual parent can provide the level of care that they require. Of course myself and other taxpayers have to foot the bill for this :rolleyes: