I should start studying about murphy's laws....lol

We just must make sure we train new people to have same standard as we do have

The community is just the right size for me. I havent really played for too long, but so far ive like what ive seen. Theres plenty of people in S2 and Demo. Sure S1 is dead, but thats because nobody realy has an S1 licence.

What i do like, is some of the really cool people i have met through LFS. Good job devs! Keep it Moo.ving!

I'm a big sweary annoyed man who tries to help out the noobs, but ultimately gets crashed into. I DO want to see more racers in LFS, but without some sort of ranking system like in Papyrus N2003 it'll be pretty much carnage. Papy did a good job of dividing up all the crazy rednecks with that system. As it is now, there isnt enough racers online at any one time to justify spending time and effort on a ranking system.

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Thats a good point...and as a sim it's so much better than GTR,GTR2 and R-factor, yet they, for some reason, get all the plaudits. It's a funny old world

Real cars and tracks hold a lot of sway with idiots.

I'd want a few more people to play in my timezone- I have to play in the middle of the day to find more than 10 people who aren't Europeans with insomnia

If nothing else, this is an excellent study demonstrating how easily influenced people are by the method of framing a question

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If nothing else, this is an excellent study demonstrating how easily influenced people are by the method of framing a question

So you mean if it was worded:

Do you like LFS's Accessibility ?

* Yes, I like its level of accessibility
* No, I wish fewer people would play it
* It doesn't matter to me

the results might be different ?
surely not !

or what about:

Do you like LFS's exclusivity?

* No, LFS should be accessible for everyone
* Yes, because I am a crap driver and don't want extra competition
* I am way too stupid to care

I really like the fact that we're a generally small group of people. Compare the LFS community to say, a community from say..Xbox live? On Live you don't tend to meet people you know too often, you have to use a friends list to communicate with someone if you ever want to see them again. Whereas LFS, In every server i'm in there's someone I know. Or have seen and raced with before.

I love it like this, and hope that it stays this way for a long time.

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LFS is not easy. it takes a lot of practice and patience. I believe LFS has a different target audience than the First Person Shooters out there, after all, the avg LFS racer age is 26>.

Im really not worried.

26? Wow. I'm really suprised at that, I'm 14. I would never have thought that the average age was that high, i suppose alot of people my age do tend to have the attention span of a tree. I suppose the reason I started in '04 and still havn't quit, is because its a challenge.

Quote from mcintyrej :

LFS, In every server i'm in there's someone I know. Or have seen and raced with before.

This is a very cool thing. I've experienced this kind of thing in games like UT where there are thousands of public servers, but LFS has very few public servers and its nice to see people who you rememeber - this is also helped by the fact that most people use unique skins.

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26? Wow. I'm really suprised at that, I'm 14. I would never have thought that the average age was that high, i suppose alot of people my age do tend to have the attention span of a tree. I suppose the reason I started in '04 and still havn't quit, is because its a challenge.

I think it makes sense that most of us are in our 20s. I'm just assuming that most LFS fans have actually driven (legally, on the road I mean) or owned real cars for a number of years and are impressed by LFS's physics. A lot of younger gamers, especially ones in school, probably don't earn that much money either and aren't able to splash disposable income on dedicated sim hardware like wheels (and annoy their wives doing so ) like some of us can. I also have a suspicion that a lot of us who grew up in the 1980s and drooled over RX7s and Starions & stuff were simply drawn in by the late '80s Japanese coupe look of the XRT and never looked back

Oh why 80's can't come back, cars were stylish, chicks were easy and life was good
Luckily I still can watch 80's movies, tv-series, listen to music from 80's and get many 80's cars rather cheap, even some specials, just would need big garage for them

Oh yes, stylish modern design of XRG and XRT surely was big attraction for me

Now that you mention it - yes, I wouldn't have been as drawn to LFS if the demo came with formula cars or even exotics. I was excited to see cars that I've spent time with represented rather convincingly, with a hint of spice. I actually enjoyed the XFG more than the RWD's, probably because FWD was what I was more familiar with. Now if mine would only rev to 8K redline...

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Oh why 80's can't come back, cars were stylish, chicks were easy and life was good
Luckily I still can watch 80's movies, tv-series, listen to music from 80's and get many 80's cars rather cheap, even some specials, just would need big garage for them

Oh yes, stylish modern design of XRG and XRT surely was big attraction for me

Uh How old ARE you???? The cars were slapped together, as was a bunch of the music. LOL, the guy that had a decent street car had a bad haircut (think Mullet) and TV.... Which was more enlightening and/or cutting edge? Dallas? The Cosby Show? or The Dukes of Hazard?
In fact, the '80s gave rise to the evil empires of sattillite and cable TV.

Chicks were easy....... Yeah, even though we thought we might just be nuked outta existence at any time, we were paranoid of aids. The only chicks that were "easy" were psych majors and coke heads (Coke, another great thing of the '80s)

And the really bad thing about the '80s... the REALLY REALLY bad part about the '80s was? All them damn baby boomer ex-hippies talking about how much better it was in the '60s

Being a survivor of the 80s, I'll admit, I think all the S-1 cars look like something out of the 80s. And yeah, that sorta appeals to me. Except the RB-4. it looks like a 90's car

damn it, I was scrolling thru the posts before I was going to post this and almost forgot what the hell I was doing....

Yeah I am beginning to think Exclusivity IS the right word. I also think that the average LFSer (demo or licensed ) IS a little more advanced than our
porn googling internet cousins or the ebay throwbacks. So yeah, we ARE a cut above the average net user. And maybe we should make inroads to guarantee only the most qualified, the most talented and most importantly, the most likely to shell out 24 pounds are included in our little sub culture.

Mmm, 80s. Great music (from Gary Numan and Cyndi Lauper to Metallica & GN'R), great TV (Dukes of Hazzard, Macross/Robotech, Transformers, Neighbours LOLz), somewhat average clothes Having actually been there I feel totally qualified to laugh my arse off at all the fashion victim kids reviving 80s fashion crimes which were even laughable back then. Although, having said that, anyone who was around in the late 60s to early 70s would have laughed their arse off at me and my friends in the early 90s getting into our hippie clothes with our huge long hair, chuffing hookahs, dropping acid, and listening to Led Zeppelin and Hendrix all night (although noone played SNES until dawn in the 70s - and they didn't have death metal like Morbid Angel to bang their heads to ) :hippy:

OK back on topic, nothing to see here ...

Streethawk, Knight Rider, Airwolf, Mac Gyver, those were days :P

AIDS was some bad rumours at 80's we had no idea what that would be, It was 90's when that really changed things here, too bad I was bit too young at 80's and 90's spoiled everything that was good, chicks were not easy no more, cars were all stupid FWD things, music was quite bad and Finland was 2 weeks from bankrupt, people lost jobs and houses everywhere, it was really bad.

How old you are? I'm not too old, but not exactly young anymore, perhaps it is on profile, or something

Quote from JTbo :

Streethawk, Knight Rider, Airwolf, Mac Gyver, those were days :P

And still no one mentioned The Incredible Hulk and the greatest of them all....The A-Team

Apart from that, the 80's were terrible...bad music(Metal was the only thing that was any good...thank god for Metallica:headbang bad fashion, bad cars, Maggie bloody Thatcher.......
No wonder i turned to dropping acid as often as i could....
Yup, the 80's turned me into a complete loon:Eyecrazy:..still , it's only taken 17years to recover..im fine now

Well JT, I started my teens just as the '80s were finishing and AIDS was turning sex into death before I even started dating (brilliant timing). We still had a Labour Prime Minister and a crap cricket team. The USSR still existed and were still the badguys, Saddam was in transition from Iran-pounding goodguy (armed with WMD by Rumsfeld/Reagan) to Kurd-gassing badguy (same WMD, different GPS location) but hadn't yet invaded friendly oil dictatorship Kuwait, Bush the First hadn't yet laid the foundations for his idiot son (who was probably drunk in a hot tub somewhere), Brocky was still winning at Bathurst and noone had yet heard of Nirvana, Soundgarden or Pearl Jam (more's the pity, but there was always Metallica and there was still Pink Floyd). Good times!

Group-a racing, Group-b rallying, all those great cars were loose and drivers actually drove those things, 80's were best

As tube works now, here is how things were, down after these final moments of 80's

The more the merrier. The Devs obviously have their heart in it so theres no need to worry about 'selling out', even though I dont even know how the hell you could 'sell out' live for speed other than selling the ownership of the game entirely. They've gotten a few licensed cars in the game now and advertisements everywhere for them, does that mean they've sold out? Its not a punk rock band.
This game is not appealing to the vast majority of puberty stricken young men which are gasoline to online flame wars, so it will never be that hard to keep a generally respectfull attitude in the servers. The very nature of the game itself demands you show perfect respect to other racers or else you get kicked immediately. Its not an option to be an ass in LFS if you want to continue playing LFS. This is the perfect deterrent in itself. More players to fill up the servers means more racers who will be at your skill level which is the prime equation for fun in a racing game. You also will have more options for where to race besides your standard choice of two or 3 if your lucky nowadays.
I've also discussed how I wish theyd do some more marketing, but I guess thats not really appropriate until they have a finished product to market.
I do want a (non corny) live for speed t shirt and bumper sticker with www.liveforspeed.net on it as soon as possible though! Imagine how many people would be exposed to the live for speed image and website everyday if half the live for speed players had bumper stickers on their cars... or foreheads? I think ive seen like two 'advertisements' for games on peoples bumpers and both times when I got home I went to their website. You know if someone has a game logo displayed on their bumper, it must be a badass game. Its even more eye catching because its car related in the first place. The bumper sticker could say: "Wanna see what that baby can really do?" -LiveforSpeed- online racing simulator. Or something to that affect.

Wrong thread? ^^^


yes i like the exclusivity, but if more people played it, the devs would have more funds, for real cars and tracks. Ill dream of an m3 gtr on blackwood, or lx6 on donnington.

To above poster^^^
I anticipated people wanting to make non topic related replys in this thread about the bumper sticker thing so I opened up a new topic on it. He just happened to add his idea before I could get the new topic up.

Quote from The General Lee :

I really like the fact I can chat to and race against the best players in LFS.

I definatly class it as one of its best features!

I like the fact that we know who the best races are because of LFS World. (Nice work on that Victor. )

LFS is far from exclusive these days. I see kids playing it in common LAN parties, heck, even one of my old workmates who's not even in to computers or gaming in general knew LFS!

Edit: Nice bump, by the way.