I was thinking the other day... how nice it would be to have a 1/4 or 1/2 mile oval.. to make the lower horsepower cars used more on an oval track.. and if that has already been suggested... then i would like to ask if maybe there is a way to have a left to right suspension adjust.. damp, rebound, and stiffness.. if your wondering why or where that would give an advantage.... on the smaller tracks that favor right turns more than left... or opposite.. it would be faster to get through 5 left hand corners and sacrafice 1 right hander you know? just a suggestion and im sure you have had this one many of times,, keep up the brilliant work guys... cant wait for S3

Search is your friend - a lot of the oval 'racers' have asked for assymetric adjustment of suspension. Indeed, on some race tracks it might also be useful, but to a lesser extent.

Also, at the end of sentences, only a single '.' is needed, and it can be helpful to use paragraphs and line breaks to make a post easier to read. I know you are American, and therefore have a very limited grasp of the English language, but at least try!

why a lesser extent? i wasnt talking about just for oval... what about fe club? or So2 or so2r.... those tracks favor a certain direction of a corner... so you could set the car to be much faster in the lefts.. and alitle slower for the right hand corner, may not seem like much... but when tenths are what part you and the leader... you would want the little extent

Lfs is an awesome sim which since i have played, has done nothing but shot for realizm, in setup and gameplay. I "personally" think that lfs would be much more realistic if the simple option of left to right suspension adj could be available. Maybe that wont do much for some tracks, but i still think the option should be there, just an opinion. Lfs Devs have done a mighty fine job if i say so.
which might be the reason i have sat in front of this screen for six months playing it.
oh and tristan.. its cool..i might suck at typing.. but i dont race to type

There's a few oval layouts for the Autocross course, they work pretty well (I know its not banked, but does the job )

OK, this is WAY off topic but: Tristan, is there a particular reason you feel the need to condescend to just about every American on the forum, or are you just geneticly predisposed to be a douche?

Back to the topic at hand: I agree some more per corner adjustments would be a good addition, and even the realism nazi's wouldnt have much to say about it as you can do that on a real car.

Also on that note, since we cannot adjust per corner, we cannot make sure our corner-weights are correct. You open wheel guys don't need to worry about that, but those of use who like to stay dry in the rain need it to make sure that the weight of the driver is evenly distributed.

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OK, this is WAY off topic but: Tristan, is there a particular reason you feel the need to condescend to just about every American on the forum, or are you just geneticly predisposed to be a douche?

Where do I condescend just about every American? I happen to like the majority of them on this forum. I only condescend the stupid ones who should know better - English IS your first language, and being moronic at it (and by 'it' I mean simple things like forming sentences and using full stops) fully entitles me to have a little dig. Do I condescend other nationalities because of their English - no, because in a lot of cases it's a second language, and small slip ups (which, to be honest, occur a lot less frequently in those cases than with English-as-a-first-language posters) can be excused.

Why don't single seater people have to worry about corner weights, or are you living in a deluded state where single seaters are perfectly symettrical? Corner weights are vastly more important in single seaters than in big, heavy, [relatively] softly suspended saloon cars.

Taken a look at the load distribution of the single seaters in LFS lately? The single seaters in LFS are, as far as the physics engine is concerned, in every sense of the word symetrical.

I understand that you might have to deal with them on your Reynard, but they are a non-issue on the MRT5, Formula XR, Formula V8, and BMW Sauber F1.06 as simulated in LFS. I will throw a party and buy you a beer when you have a need to tinker away on the corner weights of your BF1, but until then we tin toppers are the only ones concerned with it.

Fair point.

Bit of a shame that really. Now you've brought that to my attention I won't be happy until all the cars are non-symmetric, and require the spring rates and ride heights adjusting to get decent corner-weights.

But then, a racing car is never stationary on a level road, so I doubt that corner weights are REALLY that critical, as long as they are vaguely close (which they seem to be in LFS anyway).

perfectly happy to ruin your day j/k

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Where do I condescend just about every American? I happen to like the majority of them on this forum. I only condescend the stupid ones who should know better - English IS your first language, and being moronic at it (and by 'it' I mean simple things like forming sentences and using full stops) fully entitles me to have a little dig.

LOL entitles you to dig? dude... i dont care how i type... i dont care what you think about what i type... and second who are you to judge? dude.. i would never "dig" at you about the way you type.. cause i dont frankly give a poo i dont mind you trying to teach me how to type.. or giving me an opinion about it.. but did i ask?
Owen lol dude you rock.. always standin up for your brotha!!! HI!! btw..

Tristan, i think you should re-word some things you may say about the "moronic" Americans... Im pretty sure on any givin day, you could help anyone with the way they speak.. but im sure i could teach you alittle about how to drive

haha. everybody knows that neither americans nor the british know how to speak english, and that canadians are the only ones who do!

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haha. everybody knows that neither americans nor the british know how to speak english, and that canadians are the only ones who do!

eh?

The only gripe I have is I've conditioned myself to read 'i' as 'ih' and now I can't help but read them as 'ih' which is annoying as the inner monolouge I select to be your voice sounds funny

As for smaller ovals; bit of a weird one. Do they exist in real life? I mean, I thought the whole appeal of NASCAR and the like was the fact they atleast got some hefty speed and thus crashes were good.
If it was just a small oval, the worst you're going to see is two guys on the inside flat swapping insurance details. Sounds kind of lame to me

It could always double as a bicycle track!! Go 1 speeds!

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Tristan, i think you should re-word some things you may say about the "moronic" Americans... Im pretty sure on any givin day, you could help anyone with the way they speak.. but im sure i could teach you alittle about how to drive

Are you sure about that? I guess you must have a degree in Mechanical Engineering too?

http://www.reynard883.com <- And, Tristan, your picture is mixed up on the site! :P

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The only gripe I have is I've conditioned myself to read 'i' as 'ih' and now I can't help but read them as 'ih' which is annoying as the inner monolouge I select to be your voice sounds funny

As for smaller ovals; bit of a weird one. Do they exist in real life? I mean, I thought the whole appeal of NASCAR and the like was the fact they atleast got some hefty speed and thus crashes were good.
If it was just a small oval, the worst you're going to see is two guys on the inside flat swapping insurance details. Sounds kind of lame to me

LOL does anyone forget the history of racing? it started on ovals at least for americans.. i dont just want "ovals" people must read my post alittle better.. what i was is the adjustablity from left to right on suspension.. wow how people get so mixed up

Racing didn't start on Ovals by a long shot. HOW could it? Someone just build an oval and then think by heck lets use it for racing automobiles!
It was gumball style rally IIRC, for the rich in some propper old fashioned chitty-bang-bang style cars. Then I think purpose built race cars came into play, and circuits were devised.
It may have been oval in America (although I believe it was drag), but this game isn't American.

But still, answer my question if you can. Are there any of these mini ovals knocking about? And would it REALLY be worth it? It just sounds so undramatic.

Death to ovals. Death to Americans. :bananadea

There. Happy?

*ding dong* uh oh! it's the FBI! FEIND HÖRT MIT!!

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LOL does anyone forget the history of racing? it started on ovals at least for americans.. i dont just want "ovals" people must read my post alittle better.. what i was is the adjustablity from left to right on suspension.. wow how people get so mixed up

RACING IN THE US DID NOT START ON OVALS! Why must I share a country with such ignorant citizens?

You get them everywhere. I think maybe US kids just have too much time on their hands, or can afford a decent PC too soon

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You get them everywhere. I think maybe US kids just have too much time on their hands, or can afford a decent PC too soon

Nah, there's just a lot more inbreeding over here.

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LOL entitles you to dig? dude... i dont care how i type... i dont care what you think about what i type... and second who are you to judge? dude.. i would never "dig" at you about the way you type.. cause i dont frankly give a poo i dont mind you trying to teach me how to type.. or giving me an opinion about it.. but did i ask?
Owen lol dude you rock.. always standin up for your brotha!!! HI!! btw..

Tristan, i think you should re-word some things you may say about the "moronic" Americans... Im pretty sure on any givin day, you could help anyone with the way they speak.. but im sure i could teach you alittle about how to drive

You can't 'dig' at me, least of all about typing or language. No, you didn't ask, but that doesn't mean I can't point out your inadequacies

I very much doubt you can help me drive. I don't claim to be very good, and I know for a fact that on any given day there are better drivers on the track than me, but please don't start thinking you are better at driving when you know nothing about me.

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Are you sure about that? I guess you must have a degree in Mechanical Engineering too?

http://www.reynard883.com <- And, Tristan, your picture is mixed up on the site! :P

Not messed up here. What browser? In what way is it 'messed up'? You're the first person to comment on it. Have you tried ctrl-F5ing? Screenshot perhaps (probably via PM, or you can dig up my old Bentwaters thread or something).

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But still, answer my question if you can. Are there any of these mini ovals knocking about? And would it REALLY be worth it? It just sounds so undramatic.

Yes, there are small ovals in real life. Not sure, but from N2003 I think Martinsville Speedway was somewhat short, just over half a mile. It may sound undramatic, but when you put too many cars on the track you will get some action, at least crashes which of course are a key part of the entertainment in oval races. And I can imagine the noise the spectators are having.

ok ive done my research. yes you are correct it did not start on the ovals.. for "you" it started in 1895 in france. My mistake and i opologize.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_racing) <- as listed in this article.

Now to my credit. to my fellow americans.. who seem to think racing started elsewhere than ovals. Yes in some way racing did not start on ovals but this sure is close dont you think? racing started in 1895 in france. Oval race at the Indy 500 in 1911
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1911_Indianapolis_500)

as for the first race, in 1895 Chicago-Times Harold Race (doesnt say about what the track layout was) but it was 7hp, and it wasnt untilll the early 1900s that cars were fast enough to do above 60mph http://local.aaca.org/northeastflorida/car_fun_facts.htm

As far as facts, if someone has better info plz post, i would love to find out more. When it comes to racing starting on Ovals, my info clearly shows that it did not, but it sure was a huge part really fast (in the U.S) I apologize again for not doing my research before i spoke. Tristan im sorry you are getting the wrong idea, i dont know you nor do i care to, as far as im concerned i dont race you or anyone else. I race the track, i work with setup and try to go fast as possible, does that make me better than you? I think not, i love racing to the bones, anyone who has delt with me knows i love racing. I simply made a statement to get you to understand.

All i want was someones opinion on the idea at hand (SUSPENSION) not how i type or any other crap. I wanted to use Lfs forum for what it was worth and throw an idea out. Great to meet all you fine racers