In an emergency stop in the dry the rear would be totally unloaded, your tuono's rear brake is more than enough to easily lock the rear wheel in those conditions. All the engine braking in the world isn't going to stop you any quicker.
I'd like to try a slipper clutch btw, can you just bang down the box more agressively?
Emergency stop, maybe, but in "normal" riding, I hardly have to touch the brakes because the engine braking is so effective.
Yeah, basically with the slipper clutch you can bang it down the box without the fear of you locking up the back wheel (so much), you can still lock it if you are too aggresive, but that can be quite fun going into a corner sideways LOL (on the track of course )
I also have a slipper clutch on the ZX-10R. They limit the torque going back to the wheel from the engine, thus making your engine braking less effective.
I used to have a v-twin myself, and I know you can ride them on the throttle much more than a two-stroke. I'm not sure how useful engine braking is, other than preventing the driven wheel(s) from locking up without stalling the engine.
That brings you onto that it's not about sheer braking force you can apply, it's about the friction available before the tyre skids. I've seen this argument before, and from here we go off into "well, with similar sticky tyres, etc, etc". There's too many variables to say if a car or a bike stops in the shorter distance.
Bikes are fast and nimble, but there's something to be said for four big contact patches.
That's something I hate about a lot of people on bikes is they seem to turn a single lane road into a dual carriage way.
Now I've grown used to forcing them to pass me on the otherside of the road by driving with the driver side wheels on the white line. If they want to get knocked off their bike they can do it without making me brake hard to stop them from taking the front of my car as they panic when a car comes over a blind crest going the other direction.
I notice a general trend where people who ride bikes are always complaining about some `idiots` in cars but it works both ways. I've come across plenty of `idiots` riding bikes as well as driving cars.
I have no problems with bikes, if I had one I'd most likely carve my way through traffic but I'd be considerate of the person in there car. When riders on bikes are often approaching cars at +20-30mph it isn't exactly giving a driver a lot of time to see you coming, especially when a lot of bike riders don't even bother to slow down and try to pass straight away barely even bothering to leave the lane. Leaving no safety gap if the person in the car has to suddenly avoid something on the road you've had it.
On the topic, these suggestions come from a bunch of people who try to justify there job by coming up with "great ideas."
For example, my Clio is only a 1.2 (okay it's a car) and it can take me a lot of time to pass a car especially if they speed up. Now that is far more dangerous than having the power to pass them ASAP. If you limited a bike or car to the speed limit passing someone toddling around at 50mph would become very dangerous.
Shouldn't this quote read
"The market was about 7,000 new bikes a year of this type in 2001, but my brothers best mate reckons 170,000 were imported to the UK in 2005."
Its seriously worrying that you cannot go on a 10 minute journey on a bike without at least one car cutting you up or pulling out infront of you, you can be doing 25mph and still get caught out...you know why? Its because they DO see you, they just think because they won't get hurt if you hit them that its ok to risk pulling out. You see it in their eyes, they sometimes look twice then do it, how are you meant to predict that?
I'm with you when it comes to passing before making yourself known to the vehicle(s) you might be passing, but why do you do the middle of the road thing? You're aware that there is a bike behind you, why not make it easy and safer for him/her to pass you? I think you must be trying to make a point, but for the life of me I cannot see what that point is. Hope you don't indirectly get someone killed for the sake of it.
Well, I guess it is same as when I was sitting in my car at shop parking lot and lady reversed her car to front of mine, she was looking all the time, sheeps
Inability to use brains and governments endorse this by making more and more restricting laws, why these flowerhat powered governments can't accept that if you **** up you are screwed and will get hurt, but now they are trying to make traffic to some idiot safe system which never will happen as people will just make better idiots.
Anyone using even bit of his/her brains in traffic can see how fast other vehicles are approaching and also can drive in such manner where traffic flows and there is practically no close calls, but it will never be happening unless laws are changed so that drivers are required to think and traffic control is changed from speeds to way and ability of people driving.
I'm sure that lady that drove to railway track because navigator told her to turn is again dangering traffic tomorrow and next week, why these are allowed to drive anything faster than bicycle?
Bikers are at least here driving really well compared to most of car drivers, I at least have nothing against if biker rides faster or uses smaller diameters of his vehicle to go somewhere where cars can't go when it is done safely and so that you can predict it. If someone is more hurry then he is and he can overtake, I really don't have trouble with that but there is too many drivers that have and that is a problem too, again many driving licenses to be taken away.
I fully support tight controlling of driving licenses, you are not letting just anyone fly on aircraft that has quite little chance to hit anything at air, but with car there is quite lot more risk of hitting something and even speeds are less there is loads less of marginal too. Well landing and take off are of course bit more challenging than starting or stopping with car
Well anyway requiring use of brains would help bikers to get out and not getting cut out by cars so often
Well all I took was the 50cc motorbike test which took a few hours basicly teaching me about the road and so on, but the biggest peice of advice he gave me and I still use is to think of everybody ont he road as inconsiderate twats. By this I mean those who do what you don't expect them to do, or double check that there isn't a motorbike coming along before they change lanes or pull out of a junction.
How they can say that putting a top speed limiter on a 160mph motorbike is going to make a differnce wont even stop those who crash at 160mph as they will only have it removed if they wish to go so fast. Even so, I ran about on a 50cc moped for about 6 months and the amount of times I was cut up or plainly ignored or looked down upon by other drivers was shocking.
May I add the bike only done just under 50mph (Which is fast for a moped) for the first few months untill it needed replacing, from then on I drove at about 35mph tops and the amount of encounters I had with numskulls increased.
If they really wanna stop more riders being injured/killed they should introduce the same bike training that they do for car drivers, I learnt far more in the few hours doing my CBT than the last 8 driving lessons i've had. A couple of times my instructor has said you could just have pulled out there as there was nothing coming, to which I replied but what if there was a motorbike coming? (was parked cars around)
Yes, people do pull out in front of you, but I find it doesn't happen that often to me. I commute about 12 miles each way through Manchester's solid traffic jam that is the morning and evening rush hours (I dearly wish I was joking or exaggerating, but it really is 12 miles at times).
I take the view that everyone is half asleep and concentrating more on the radio than their surroundings when the traffic is moving slow or stopped. I try to look at every vehicle making a quick check of as many of the following as possible- what's the driver looking at, what are the front wheels doing, what are the lights at the back doing, any other clues.
This gives me a simple, quick assessment of each vehicle, and if something's out of place my "spidey-sense" kicks in. It helps me keep my speed down as if I go too fast to make that check I start to feel apprehensive that I'm not in control of the situation. On the open road you've got to adjust your speed so that you can make an assessment of each situation - be it car, junction or other potential hazard.
I'm not an instructor, and don't claim this is the best way to ride, but it seems to work for me. It's a spooky feeling when you see someone in a junction, think "they're going to pull out" and they do. Especially when I'm in the car!
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