Hi everyone,

This is gonna be a silly request actually but i would really appreciate it if someone would wanna help me out with it.

This is my problem: I'm a setup newbie. I really wanna learn how to build and what to edit in a setup to make the car feel better for me and make it faster. I don't understand setup making a whole lot and i have allot of question. Now my real question in this thread is:

Is there anybody around who is experienced in making fast, stable and of course good setups who is willing to share his experience with me. I have been trying to read allot of guide and search the forums but it's just not getting through my thick skull.

If anybody is willing to help me out with this we can might come to a agreement of what i can do back for the person who spended that time with me.

Responding in this thread or leaving me a PM would be enough.
For email & msn contact: [email protected]

My regards,
Tom

You have my guide and setup analyser, what else do you require? I think most questions have been discussed a lot in the setups forum, so between those three sources everything should be covered, I don't know what else people could tell you.

Also your offer of returning the favour sounds a bit perverse, but that might just be me.

Quote from Bob Smith :

Also your offer of returning the favour sounds a bit perverse, but that might just be me.

Is she, she? Pretty girl, yes? :icon23:


Seriously, making setup requires work and then more work, after you understand balance of setup you learn to make setup and use abilities of setup and car on track, it is path where is no shortcuts when you are beginner. Spend time to understand and learn and it will help you more than best setup ever will.

i'm pretty hot if i say so myself but i can offer my sister?

anyone interested?

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Is she, she? Pretty girl, yes? :icon23:


Seriously, making setup requires work and then more work, after you understand balance of setup you learn to make setup and use abilities of setup and car on track, it is path where is no shortcuts when you are beginner. Spend time to understand and learn and it will help you more than best setup ever will.

But that's the point. I don't get all the stuff that's going on. And if no one is around to explain me how would i be able to learn it. I can keep reading those guides but after reading them several times i still have no idea what i'm doing wenn building a setup.

There is no substitute for experimentation. Get a set, learn how it reacts, then tinker with it and take it for another drive. Get a feel for those changes. You need to get an understanding for how your car handles, and what you'd like to change with it. Then you can use knowledge and tools to get the changes you desire.

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But that's the point. I don't get all the stuff that's going on. And if no one is around to explain me how would i be able to learn it. I can keep reading those guides but after reading them several times i still have no idea what i'm doing wenn building a setup.

Try and when you face problem that you don't understand post question about it, when you read guide and come up to something you don't understand write what you don't understand. Then it is much easier to guide to right direction

Owkeej here i go then,

I'm using flotch his setup for XFR as3.

Now it's a hotlap setup and i need it to last 29 laps.

I tried playing with the camber and tire pressure. I can get it to last longer but the ability to drive it decreases allot. Now how would you guys approach it? try playing more with camber+pressure or try to change something somewhere else. I still wanna maintain a certain oversteer because it decreases. The problem is for me: Where do i have to look at if i want certain things improved/changed?

Set included.

My regards,
Tom

You should be able to do as3 in the XFR on R2s. Just pump up the tyres and play with the cambers. Adjust the anti roll bars a little to your liking for a good balance of overtseer and understeer, but don't modify it too much or the set will lose it's great handling brought on from the stiff front arb.

Well, seeing that you have searched the forums, have you tried wrapping your head around the basic and advanced setup guides yet?

IMO it is important to know what a certain setting does mechanically, or you'll never be able to fully predict and explain side effects one setting might have with another. It's easy to think that "adding ARB there will make this end have less grip", but that is, while basically right, not always the case. The way fast setups work it's often even the other way round.

Now it would be overkill to really know how a certain component works as if you were a mechanic, but you should be able to understand what a certain setting *does* on the car. Not only learning its putative effects, but actually the reason for the effect it has (or doesn't have).

I got both the setup guides right infront of me. I'm trying to build a set by reading them over and over. Searching in the guide for what i exacly want. I decreased anti-roll already and it feels pretty good right now. I just need to fix those tires and it's fine

Quote from battle :

I got both the setup guides right infront of me. I'm trying to build a set by reading them over and over. Searching in the guide for what i exacly want. I decreased anti-roll already and it feels pretty good right now. I just need to fix those tires and it's fine

you can't really fix the tyres in LFS. R2's will overheat badly, then slowly start to cool down as the wear increases, eventually they'll get a puncture.
For R3's the process is the same, but they won't overheat that much, but will get much colder and will provide less grip nearing the end of their life, but they should last a couple of laps longer.

I see people often complain about setups not lasting, or overheating the tyres, there is really nothing you can do about that, except for not pushing that hard, or dealing with the overheated phase, until they cool down.
you can make roughly the same amount of laps (+/-1-2) on the same tyres with any setup, the difference will be minor and most of it will depend on your driving style. Tyres will only go flat prematurely if you lock your wheels constantly.

I am not sure this is realistic, but this is how LFS works currently.

well increasing tire pressure usually helps a little bit. But the key is to be smooth yes indeed but this isn't all where it comes down to. You can still modifiy certain things to get the tires to last longer. I'm gonna do a full stint on the current setup and one i personally think is a set that should last and has some modification made to the tire pressure and camber.

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You should be able to do as3 in the XFR on R2s. Just pump up the tyres and play with the cambers. Adjust the anti roll bars a little to your liking for a good balance of overtseer and understeer, but don't modify it too much or the set will lose it's great handling brought on from the stiff front arb.

actually i changed it quiet allot ( anti roll bar ) and for me it got better.
This is what i came up with for my 29 lap race.
Only could do 21 laps, qualify was over but i think i'm safe to say that the tires will last does 8 laps also.

If possible, judge the changes and how the tires look. My regular time is around 1.54.8x.

Included: Modified set + Screenshot.

my regards,

Tom

Hmm, rear tires are cold and fronts quite ok. Understeering setup or then you enter corners too fast, maybe too much pressure at rear.
You could try to compensate pressure decrease at rear with spring/wing/arb setting, also don't forget dampers, use Bob's tool to check how adjusting dampers affect to balance at different parts of corner and remember that LSD will cause understeer and clutch pack causes snap off oversteer for me at least.

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I am not sure this is realistic, but this is how LFS works currently.

I would like to see that explained to
Is this realistic? Someone can say plz?
Thks

Learn how a car reacts on high temperature does it tho... And I learned so much of that (With drift) that I can now make 50 laps races (Kyoto Long) without a tire change. You will sure be slower on high temp but you will last longuer on the same set which means less pit stops, so less time wasted

I know how the car handles and stuff, i can do pretty fast times. Currently 1.54.52 ( wr 1.54.17 )

Quote from tiagolapa :

I would like to see that explained to
Is this realistic? Someone can say plz?
Thks

actually I meant the fact that the tyres overheat that much (as they do currently in LFS), and with wear they don't grip less, but more, due to the fact that they cool down near to ideal temperatures. So this overheating phase and the grip issue is the thing I am wondering about, whether it is realistic or not.