The 5 vs 6 speed issue is a good point.

part of why I thought that "street" and "club racing" versions would be a good idea.

Quick change gearboxes are available in 5 speed, so i dont really see why 5 vs 6 is a big deal on the street cars. My issue is that if it's there i want to be able to adjust it.

I don't really understand how people could want the most realistic racing sim possible and at the same time want unrealistic (or call it unplausible, if you like, which is essentially the same) setup options. That's clearly a contradiction. The feeling I'm getting here is, that the dismissal or approval of certain features is dictated by personal preference rather than objectivity. People who like tinkering with an infinite amount of setup options just want them because *they* like them. Others want to be able to use an H-shifter with the BF1 - I doubt too many of the "infinite-setup-option-supporters" would say, sure, why not. It's a sim, so we can do whatever we like. It doesn't matter if an F1-car doesn't have it in rL.

As has been pointed out before, the argument of the perfect (yet unrealistic) environment a sim is capable of providing is not valid at all. And I'm really surprised that it has been brought up at all (considering that we're supposedly all here because we want realism) - that is the NFS-approach and not the other way around.

So, bottom line for me is: Make this sim as realistic/plausible as possible and compromise where necessary due to real life limitations (mostly dictated by hardware).

Leave the base system alone, and let server operators decide if they want setup restrictions or not.

Everyone is happy.

All I'm saying is that LFS is a simulation...we can all agree upon that right?

What is it simulating, car racing in real life or car racing in a unlimited fantasy world?

I love tinkering with setups and I actually want more options for the race cars (more realistic) but I want the precision of options to be realistic as well.

If you want infinite gear ratios, then why not infinite down force options adjustable by the tenth of a degree? Weird....thats very similar to how are differential settings are now, and I think that needs fixed...ramp angles etc.

I feel that a lot of hardcore sim/racing fans that open LFS up and see...differential changes by %, infinitely adjustable gear ratios, max pressures, along with a lack of some options, might be turned off.

When LFS goes to say, Sauber, and says "hey, what gear ratios can you guys use in the car?", and they say "almost any, but heres a list." I'm sorry but I personally would rather have the list and know that I'm tinkering with settings that CAN be tinkered with in r/l.

The precise adjustments wasn't even my point with this thread. It was to point out that we are missing some options and need to change some that we have...not to the exact point of how you/how much you change them, but you got my side of the story anyway. I'm lost.