Hi guys

I'm collecting data of cars that I can run through my simulation for my Uni project and need lots of data I can test my results against.

I know of car websites such as www.carfolio.com or www.supercars.net but I'm wondering if anyone knows sites/odd pages that cover other types of vehicle, for example shifter karts, trucks, basically anything with 4 wheels, an engine and gears.

Anything you can dig up for me is much appreciated (I will continue googling in the meantime), the more geeky facts there better.

Cheers


Edit: list of websites to save others reading the whole thread:
http://www.carfolio.com
http://www.supercars.net
http://www.mulsannescorner.com/
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com
http://www.track-challenge.com/main_e.asp
http://www.letstorquebhp.com/4wd.asp
http://www.conceptcarz.com
http://www.globalcar.com
http://www.cartype.com

Mulsanne's corner is a site packed full of interesting bits of contemporary sportscars, and has an aerodynamics database, with fairly extensive lift/downforce @ speed figures and more info for a few cars.

http://www.mulsannescorner.com/

www.ultimatecarpage.com

http://www.track-challenge.com/main_e.asp

Mainly sporty cars, but very detailed since the figures are sourced from sportauto magazine (includes brake rotor size, aerodynamic lift etc.). It's probably not going to stay around for much longer, though.

http://www.letstorquebhp.com/4wd.asp

thats awesome for car performance stats

Cheers, I've bookmarked the lot. Spent all evening digging up superkart data, got the stats calculated spot on in the end so I'm happy. Nippy little things...

Quote from andybarsblade :

http://www.letstorquebhp.com/4wd.asp

thats awesome for car performance stats

Shame they don't put american cars on there. My car would be at the top of the list for FWD's....

yeah not many fast fwd cars, shows the limit of the fwd chassis

Quote from andybarsblade :

yeah not many fast fwd cars, shows the limit of the fwd chassis

Well... I would say the limit that people think it should be.

In Speed GT and TC the FWD TC's were putting in laps that would have put them into the GT field at Denver last year.

1/4 mile times for civics and SRT's are in the 7 seconds with trap speeds over 180 MPH making potential for sub 7 second FWD drag cars.

Many people feel that FWD's cannot compete with other cars with different drivetrains because of how different they are to drive. Not saying they are ideal, but they can compete just like any other drivetrain, they just have not been around performance wise for very long and will need time to develop the driving skills and the cars to be able to compete with the best out there.

Already FWD's are edging closer with cars like the SRT-4 and the Super Mini. Giving a cheaper performance solution to drivers who love to go fast on a very small budget.

Example: 2005 Dodge SRT-4 ACR 2005d.............Porsche Boxter S
Price $23,000(including ACR package) ...............$53,000+ 58,000 as tested
HP 230 (in reality it's 270, 230 at the wheels) .....280
1/4 mile 13.8 (drivers have seen 13.6's)..............3.8 (Both by C&D IIRC)
0-60 5.3......................................................5.2
Top Speed 152 (revlimited) .............................166
60-0 110ft................................................... 107ft.
slalom 76MPH ...............................................73MPH
skidpad .96 ....................................................97


Then start talking about insurance. It cost me $60 a month for a 24 year old male unmarried. They wouldn't even consider me with the Boxter. In the UK I am looking at a slightly larger insurance bill but only due to me not having a UK license. The SRT-4 is classed in group 8 for insurance I believe.

Skidpad shows the SRT-4 cannot grip as well factory, but with the slalom shows that it can throw it's weight around better and reacts slightly quicker to a change in direction. This data is with the ACR suspension package, the non ACR SRT-4 while impressive in a strait line cannot handle as well as the ACR, but still the standard SRT-4's performance is on the top rung of the FWD market outhandling even the mighty type-R.

Numbers are not everything though, hopefully by the end of the summer I can either say that the SRT-4 will out-perform a Boxter S on a racetrack or not. My gut feeling is no, but these numbers say that they 'should' be the same with a competent driver. My car is finally in the UK and I am currently working on collecting the funds to buy a GPS data logger for my car for track-days at Brands, Snetty, and Castle to name a few I would like to get to. tires may be another issue though....

give me a 2nd hand evo or impreza all day long, cheap as chips and rapid in all weather,

dont really car about drag civics ect doing 7 sec 1/4's cos there about as simular to a stock civic as an F15,

saying that a boxter s is abit of a rich guys girlfriends car to drive to the hair dressers in lol

Quote from andybarsblade :

give me a 2nd hand evo or impreza all day long, cheap as chips and rapid in all weather,

dont really car about drag civics ect doing 7 sec 1/4's cos there about as simular to a stock civic as an F15,

saying that a boxter s is abit of a rich guys girlfriends car to drive to the hair dressers in lol

LOL yeah the car is, but everyone likes a Porsche would you prefer another car?

06 S2000? Lambo Countach S? RX-8? Merc S500? 05 and older STi's? Evo's? (The new STi and Evo are wicked, I wouldn't stand a chance, but the older ones would have a tough time)

Sure you could bring the second hand car arugment out, then I could still say that bang for your buck a FWD for the same cost of a RWD or AWD car would have a better performance due to the fact you can use the money saved on the car to put into modifications =)


I wasn't saying with this that you can buy an OLD car cheaper than you can buy a NEW one, everyone knows that most cars depereciate over time.

TBH I would take an older RWD or AWD over my FWD for a track-day car, but then you run into problems of relaibility and wear. Yes the new car will have these problems aswell but nowhere near the issues an older car could have. Then you have the issue of daily driving, insurance, tax, and fuel. which in all probability a FWD will have the smallest issue in all those categories.


My reference to the 1/4 mile times was an attempt to show the ultimate performance a FWD could offer engine wise, I fully realize that those engines have virtually nothing in common with their factory counterpart.

Back to the topic, I found a couple of others:
http://www.conceptcarz.com
http://www.globalcar.com

im not putting the srt-4 down mate ive heard there rapid, but 1 thing to think about older evos are just as fast as the new ones, esp the 5 on, because there lighter,

trouble is as with any fwd car they can more than hold there own when in say 3rd gear on but the first 2 gears are just wheel spin

The older evo's are not as fast as the new ones, still really fast though. TBH there really isn't that much of a difference but a couple tenths is still faster =)

Yeah FWD's always have traction problems at low speeds =) But if you get an engine that actually makes some good torque at low RPM it's workable and you can get a FWD to launch as hard as a RWD if done properly. Everyone thought I had AWD the way I was coming off the line last year.

http://www.albeedigital.com/su ... e/articles/0-60times.html

I use that site alot for factory 1/4 mile times.

Quote from Viper93 :

Yeah FWD's always have traction problems at low speeds =)

Hmmm. Just don't drive slow ?

@ Bob : http://english.auto.vl.ru/catalog/

Not really geeky but oh well.

This is a good site for some fairly good specs on cars, and lots of nice high-res pictures too

http://www.seriouswheels.com/cars.htm

[quote=Viper93;409876]The older evo's are not as fast as the new ones,

check again...
1/4 mile times
evo 1 = 13.70
evo 2 = 13.52
evo 3 = 13.35
evo 4 = 13.56
evo 5 = 13.59
evo 6 = 13.61
evo 7 = 13.72
evo 8 = 13.75
evo 9 = 13.27 (however thats a fq300 not a stock gsr 280 bhp)

[quote=andybarsblade;409910][quote=Viper93;409876]The older evo's are not as fast as the new ones,

check again...
1/4 mile times
evo 1 = 13.70
evo 2 = 13.52
evo 3 = 13.35
evo 4 = 13.56
evo 5 = 13.59
evo 6 = 13.61
evo 7 = 13.72
evo 8 = 13.75
evo 9 = 13.27 (however thats a fq300 not a stock gsr 280 bhp)[/quote]

a 1/2 second is a big difference =)

well its only 0.7 of a second faster than a stock evo3? 1995?

not a big difference, and a evo 3 cost about £4000 were as a 9 is £30,000

I use to have a bunch of sites like this. I was looking for stuff for a car "test" program that I found quite some time ago.

http://www.cartestsoftware.com/cartest2000/index.html

This is the newer version than I had played with. It's not free, but has a limited feature demo. I had a dos version which is free (found here: free dos version). You need ALL car data, not just engine, horsepower, gearing, and stuff. You would need to know measured data as well such as drag coefficient and lateral force with handling. It is basically an accelleration simulator. The neat thing was, it displayed the tach and speedometer while running the simulation. It calculated 0-60 (mph), 0-100, 1/4 mile times, top speed, and braking data. The other neat thing is you could load up several cars and drag race them with a graphic display showing cars moving across the screen. Also it had a large selection of tracks that you put a test car and a control car on and let them run. The dos version I had of course was very graphically limited.

I played with it at work when the guy I share an office with said his Impala SS would beat anything I had. I said, Oh really? "Wait a minute? What do you ha.... Oh NO! Not the bike!" Ha, he said anything I had. Of course with the low top speed of my bike, he would get me eventually running down the highway. So I stuck all the specs of our cars in the program and ran a test on a 3 mile oval or something. I think it took his car with the 30 mph higher speed around 2.5 laps to catch my bike because of the higher lateral forces the bike could do around the turns. It was a neat program.

Neat program =)

Not entirely accurate but still fun to play around with =)

2 minutes and 7 seconds around Brands for a factory SRT-4 per the program.

Quote from mrodgers :

You need ALL car data, not just engine, horsepower, gearing, and stuff. You would need to know measured data as well such as drag coefficient and lateral force with handling. It is basically an accelleration simulator. The neat thing was, it displayed the tach and speedometer while running the simulation. It calculated 0-60 (mph), 0-100, 1/4 mile times, top speed, and braking data. The other neat thing is you could load up several cars and drag race them with a graphic display showing cars moving across the screen.

Sounds quite similar to my setup analyser then, since it does all that.
Although it can only drag race 2 cars at once.