So, here is my 5 cents.

1) How hard is to get real cars in the LFS game?

I guess it would be really interesting having real cars, Ariel Atom [it would be amazing if they could get this one], LAmbos, Ferrarirs..
The thing is.. WHY dont we have v8's, v10's and v'12?it doesnt really have to be in "real" cars, and that brings too...

....another thing they could do, is maybe send e-mails to colleges with car designs or design Majors and ask them to develop cool cars for the game, we would all get somethings out of this.
The developers would have a cooler game, with more options and specially more headakes.
We would have more cars = more fun.
And the designers would have theyr projects in a game, great for a Resumee.

So, did i bring anything new?

Cheerz,

K

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So, did i bring anything new?

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And how about the DESIGNERS ideia?
I said we could get student designers tpo make cool cars...

That is what Eric is for.

He designs and models all (except the real cars we do have, the RAC, MRT5, and BF1) of the cars and tracks for LFS.

Well, what i mean is...

I bet SOME of the guys that would participate on this, could eventually end up in pininfarina italia, prosche design team...
I BET the cars could look way cooler... and be truly unique...

You could get a very gorgeous looking v10 sports car, that was not a ferrari nor a lambo, but it was designed by someone that is reallly good at it and we could have a super sport car, tha looked like one and raced like one..

well.. im just making a mess... but, did you understand WHY i wanted some specialists doing the designs?

I can understand, but you have to understand that when something like that happens, everyone has a different modeling technique, and if alot of cars were put into lfs from different people, they would all have unique poly counts, and would end up making a mess out of LFS.

Well, we could just give them a list with all the "do"s and "dont"s.
Wouldnt that solve the issue?

We do.
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=2626

I don't get this "we need real cars and tracks" stuff...

The majority of people sit in an office chair with a £50 plastic steering wheel looking at a flat monitor... THIS IS NOT REAL! so what difference does it make if there happens to be a real car shape or not?

Same for tracks.. no matter how much people want to believe they're some famous racing driver, they're not.. so why does it matter if there's a Monza or a Nozma? The odds on most people driving the actual circuit are down in the fractions of a percent.. driving it in a game doesn't mean you've driven the circuit.. so I really fail to see the importance of such things

Fictional content is far more interesting IMO.. you've got a chance to use your imagination. I love creating fictional tracks.. the only real track I considered doing was Goodwood, but ultimately stuck with fictional where I could decide what I wanted, didn't have to care about safety and to just be imaginative.



Regards,

Ian

as XCNuse said in one of the other 4231780 "I Want Real Car" Threads...it would propbably cost more to put a real car in the game, than the real care costs!. Next time, try pressing the Dusty Old Search button, the one on the left of Quick Links, and on the right of New Posts. It often works

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We do.
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=2626

Oh well, i mena, "do"s and "dont"s for the designers... so they could model the cars within the limitations of the game =]


Well, that is the great thing, when you are driving with your plastic wheel in a crappy chair but in a real circuit, that is not a plastic wheel, it is a roarin' GTR car, and you are sitting in a hard and uncofortable racing seat sweating and aiming for the championship, cause you can be the best in the world...

I though THAT was what the game was all about...

And including real cars, but specially real tracks would be amazing to make that fantasi a bit more real...



I've done that, no need to be rude, but if you read my post, i have comented on asking pros to design the cars, so they would look better.


BTW: we should really get a "LFS stock car v8" for the Kioto Ring... that you be "sumthing"

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Oh well, i mena, "do"s and "dont"s for the designers... so they could model the cars within the limitations of the game =]

Usually those threads turn into giant flame wars (note my LX8 vs LXR thread).

*sighs*

there we go again...

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Oh well, i mena, "do"s and "dont"s for the designers... so they could model the cars within the limitations of the game =]

You don't need a list for that.. if it works, it's within limitations, if it doesn't, it's not.

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Well, that is the great thing, when you are driving with your plastic wheel in a crappy chair but in a real circuit, that is not a plastic wheel, it is a roarin' GTR car, and you are sitting in a hard and uncofortable racing seat sweating and aiming for the championship, cause you can be the best in the world...

I though THAT was what the game was all about...

Umm.. can I share what you're smoking?

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And including real cars, but specially real tracks would be amazing to make that fantasi a bit more real...

But it's not real, it's exactly that, a fantasy. There's already too many misfits in this world who can't differentiate between real and fantasy.

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I've done that, no need to be rude, but if you read my post, i have comented on asking pros to design the cars, so they would look better.

I wasn't being rude.. but now you're saying that Eric is crap at his job? and that we need pros (not amateurs) designing / modelling? Personally I think Eric's done a great job with the cars.. it's his track skills that worry me.

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BTW: we should really get a "LFS stock car v8" for the Kioto Ring... that you be "sumthing"

Ovals are............... :sleep2: irrespective of the car.



Regards,

Ian

I love this forum, ppl are really fast on replys..

Great, so one of the developers could try that! [i doubt very much]..


Maybe later..


Well, what i mean is, i would seriously LOVE to drive a Lambo on the BL track, or a BF1 at the Ring, you never know if you ever going to have a lambo, but it would be fantastic to drive one, in the most realistic possible way, but virually..hehe.. just ot get the feel of it.

Im not saying he is crap, but definetly theres always a bigger fish out there. You are complaining about the tracks, im complaining about the cars.. SSDD

Well, sinc ewe already have the ovals, it would be pretty cool to have a stock car v8 anyhow..

Even if the Lambo was a perfect (numerically) representation, I bet it wouldn't be as awful as a real Lambo is (should be), and therefore wouldn't be as much fun.

But perhaps you meant an Audi Murchialago thingy, which are as dull as ditchwater anyway...

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...sitting in a hard and uncofortable racing seat

Racing seats are tailored to the drivers, and are actually quite comfortable in most situations (for professional series). Of course some oddities arise every now and then, but generally speaking they are very comfortable.

If Scavier does not want content from the community (cars, tracks, etc) what makes you think that some kids in design college should get the privelage. Quite frankly, 95% of all the crap designed in colleges is ugly and completely unrealistic. Hopefully once I'm in my third and fourth years I'll have the opportunity to design a car which is actually plausible. None of this 'swivelling egg-shapes on wheels' BS everyone's doing these days...

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"Quite frankly, 95% of all the crap designed in colleges is ugly and completely unrealistic."

What about the rest 5% aka 2 standard deviations away from the mean?

Frankly, most of the silly designs are the result of absolutely disregarding the laws of physics and mathematics. The worst example was the Bugatti Veyron, with a pre-aerodynamicist corrected shape shown to a bunch of overpriviledged old farts that have as much appreciation and regard for maths and physics as your average UK secondary student. This forced them down the path of an performance and engineering nightmare.

The McLaren F1 was the exact opposite, with excellent design AND engineering as the basis of the car. It's understated beauty remains the greatest of all supercars, not to mention it sheer performance that got Bugatti on this lunatic top speed chase in the first place.

The least the UK could do is to inspire a bit more passion for engineering, science and mathematics. At the current rate of decay, it's no wonder that many good engineering nad design jobs get outsourced. Last time I checked there was very little if any interest among primary and secondary students on engineering and/or design as a preferred career choice.

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Well, sinc ewe already have the ovals, it would be pretty cool to have a stock car v8 anyhow..

Just realised you're from Brazil... if by V8 stock cars you were referring to the Brazilian stock cars.. now _they'd_ be cool! on any track



Regards,

Ian

Well, almost all LFS cars are just non-existable...

Luckily they are, else you could get ugly and fast outdated cars...

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What about the rest 5% aka 2 standard deviations away from the mean?

Those 5% are the future designers of the world, and I hope they go on to do good things (Hopefully I'll go on to do more and better things though! hehe). I think Eric should handle all the modelling and designing though. Once different people get making cars the unity in the sim will be gone. I like Eric's style, and having everything done by him gives a visual harmony that is quite inviting I think.

Maggot you think its 95% of them don't make it?
Try 99.9%, being a true concept designer for a car company is one of the hardest jobs to obtain. The largest car company in the world, GM, only has 8 car designers.

Yes there are car designing schools, and concept designers etc. but none (maybe not none, but less than 5 each year) of them get a real job at a car company. And while 5 may seem like a lot, they go into replacing others, others get knocked down, and so goes on business.

Not easy stuff.

Oh, I know they won't make it. lol I was implying that only 5%, imho, have any hope in hell of making it.

Judging by the recent designs companies have been putting on the road, they've chosen the wrong 0.1% though.

Like.. Subaru..
Heck look at the new Yukon Hybrid they are releasing fall this year, its hideous!
http://pictures.topspeed.com/I ... 80x441/X08GM_YU004_cw.jpg

Things need to turn around quick, because hell has broken loose and these new cars are absolutely butt ugly. I have to say that I'd even take one of those Honda Insight hybrids over the new subarus!

Maybe Subaru, instead of plowing millions into how the cars look or how comfy the seats are, might actually bother to make one that doesn't understeer at any speed

But yeah, becoming a designer is hard. Not many people have the vision AND the talent, and not many people have either. A lot of people start projects but never finish them (not, originally, a dig at Nuse again; sorry mate) or develop them to a level that a car manufacturer would be interested in.