Yes i agree.. got a replay of people swearing cussing even tho the person acidentally did it, and even him saying sorry etc, another thing it was quitew funny when i got blue flagged and i had to let 20 od people past.
Agree with most but
2) google -search "define: noob"
Definitions of noob on the Web:
- A newbie (also spelled noob, newb, or n00b in the leetspeak of internet culture) is a to a particular field, the term being commonly used on the internet, where it might refer to new users of a game, a newsgroup, the World Wide Web itself, or an operating system.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noob[/SIZE]
3) Yes and No.
25 fast racers and 7 noobs can be a disaster. Condodgers seems to get all the new licence S2 drivers as they all want to race the FZR straight away. However we have many drivers who help and have helped new drivers and we are proud of that.
Lotesdelere spends hours helping people who are new
7) Patch X lapper can out this morning and is now fitted on all our servers and should they start typing the f word and many others, users are kicked.
Many of our drivers and visitors are young and we should not swear.
However I find it rather funny to see a top driver in the lead say "f*** i that was close" and be kicked, only to come back and say "who F***ing kicked me"
erm, i really hope you realise 95% of that is just in jest.
I do feel a bit guilty now, as i always refer to you as "n00b", i just wish you'd said something earlier Niko.
From now on feel free to call me Jakq :P
That was off-topic Harjun
Anyway, back on topic:
@birder: I keep reading these 'I got banned from Redline Racing' threads/posts, and many of the drivers are new, it's not just your excellent servers, it seems to be that the big servers with the fast cars attract the new rookies like moths to a flame.
DK
Anyway, back on topic:
@birder: I keep reading these 'I got banned from Redline Racing' threads/posts, and many of the drivers are new, it's not just your excellent servers, it seems to be that the big servers with the fast cars attract the new rookies like moths to a flame.
DK
Agreed, if they don't like it, there are other sims, and they can always try to make their own sim themselves. Scavierge are usually right in the long run, and we still like LFS despite a few choices that, at the time, we didn't think were right...
Newbie isn't a term of offence - it's because they are new here. Newbie. See. Newbies rarely get called noob. I'd call Herki a noob if he asked how to change the colour of his car, because he's been here a long time and should know better. I don't see much misuse of the terms.
But newbies might be, frankly, dangerous online at first, and so should practice either offline or on quiet servers. Noobs can be dangerous at any time (which is why we might be calling them noobs), and they should attempt to improve themselves before mixing much with online players. As we are driving against real people, it matters more if you take someone out - you're not just ruining an AI's race, but a fellow persons. Practicing offline might just be doing 10 laps of a given car/track combo before joining in, so they have more of an idea of braking points and the racing line etc.
I don't think many people mind demo users. Not many people like demo users who use or ask for cracks. A minority have tarnished the name for the majority. It happens. Get over it. By all means drift, cruise, crash etc. But don't do it on racing servers. I don't go to drift servers to show them the racing line, and I don't want people skidding all over the place trying to drift when I'm trying to race. Keep it separate (like in reality - drifting days, track days, racing meets) and we'll be happy. Also, some of us like to make sure that wannabe drifters who think drifting is either fast or racing are told, in no uncertain terms, that they are wrong.
I don't think I've ever seen this! If people ask how to go faster with a mouse or a keyboard only setup, then getting a wheel is good advice. But I've heard of someone who uses a mini-joystick thing and drives using his tongue (and wasn't that slow either!), so I don't think we 'look down' on other controller options.
We had this discussion twice recently, and many many times. Only idiots and bad drivers use blue flag messages. Any half-decent racing driver (and I'm not talking about the ability to go fast on a clear lap, which isn't racing) doesn't need to, and will lose almost no time passing anyone. Just laugh at them, and let them get on with being a crap driver.
Whilst nKP, from a driving point of view, is LFS's closest rival, to suggest it's that realistic is silly. It isn't. It's no better than LFS overall. It does a few things better, and a few things worse than LFS, but it mostly lacks the feel and nervousness of LFS (which is realistic). (Note: The FOX is so overtyred now that it isn't realistic, and is why it is the easiest car in LFS at the moment).
That would just be silly. In FarCry you don't have to get dressed in the morning. We know LFS isn't realistic in so much as you don't have a virtual job to earn the virtual money to buy a virtual car etc... But we'd quite like that from the moment you magically appear in your car to the moment you magically leave it that it was as realistic as possible from a driving point of view. Not many racing drivers can press T and chat to the person they've just tapped. Not many drivers have a little map. Not many drivers can reset their damaged car. LFS is heading down this route, and that's good. But you're example is just silliness.
The reason it's gone 'downhill' is because there are more and more people who play LFS, but aren't (strictly) part of the community. They want this/that, but aren't actually doing anything in the community to help, be it assisting newbies, chatting to everyone, making textures, doing renders, etc etc. Two or three years ago, LFS was much more of a niche product, and as such everyone knew everyone else, and we all had this amazing community. Now I go online and see hundreds of people I've never heard of, and there are a million teams, 999,800 of which are utterly rubbish and a waste of a team name. That's what's 'wrong' with the community - size, pure and simple. And that's not a fault of the community, but a fact of a much larger group of people...
1) Fact of life, complaining about it isn't going to change it. Also, some of the criticisms are apt, even if blunt and timed wrongly.
2) 'Newbie' is not an insult, it's a politically correct way of calling someone a noob. There are much worse insults one can come up with to really insult someone. As annoying as it may be, not letting it get to you is the best way to fight it.
3) There are many, many cases when such a call is actually warranted. There's a difference in taking it easy ito brake points and insisting on driving in the middle of a pack when they can't keep the car on the road for a single lap, even if there's nobody else pressuring them.
4) Demo racer bashing has nothing to do with drifting, which is a case on its own regardless of licence status. Demo racers who can't be bothered to put in the effort to express themselves properly, and feel they are obliged to demand more content are justifiably flamed. Crying for new content and updates as a demo racer appears selfish because it's more for nothing, I care not for selfish, arrogant people.
5) I disagree, it may eventually turn into a flamefest but initially he will get constructive responses from the several knowledgeable people. I'd foresee that it would turn nasty when someone would make a comment how they were 'surprised' nobody's insulted anyone yet.
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7) Tough poo, tbh. No offence to ConeDodgers, but their servers are not ones one should base generalisations on. Those who spam blue flag will continue to do so until it's not permitted. They aren't going to 'see the light' because they don't want to. Go to another server where such is not tolerated.
8) Dude, srsly. Take a break, have a holiday, take a chill pill, take the dog for a walk w/e. Now you really are just whining.
The LFS community has not gone downhill. The community has grown (= more idiots around) and it has kept its intergrity admirably. Basing general consensus on actions of individuals you don't like is pointless (and by that I mean that it's human nature to take more notice of things we don't like than things that we agree with and take for granted). Instead of looking at how 'bad' the community is, look at how good it is. Free licences flying left right and centre, support given to the devs in patch testing, the addon programmers are still updating their software, UKCT has made a masssssssssssive contribution, yadda yadda etc etc.
It's people who question and undermine the community by posting about how bad the community is that really make it annoying sometimes. Oh, and, if this community was as bad as you make it look, I dare say this thread would look much worse than it is.
2) 'Newbie' is not an insult, it's a politically correct way of calling someone a noob. There are much worse insults one can come up with to really insult someone. As annoying as it may be, not letting it get to you is the best way to fight it.
3) There are many, many cases when such a call is actually warranted. There's a difference in taking it easy ito brake points and insisting on driving in the middle of a pack when they can't keep the car on the road for a single lap, even if there's nobody else pressuring them.
4) Demo racer bashing has nothing to do with drifting, which is a case on its own regardless of licence status. Demo racers who can't be bothered to put in the effort to express themselves properly, and feel they are obliged to demand more content are justifiably flamed. Crying for new content and updates as a demo racer appears selfish because it's more for nothing, I care not for selfish, arrogant people.
5) I disagree, it may eventually turn into a flamefest but initially he will get constructive responses from the several knowledgeable people. I'd foresee that it would turn nasty when someone would make a comment how they were 'surprised' nobody's insulted anyone yet.
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7) Tough poo, tbh. No offence to ConeDodgers, but their servers are not ones one should base generalisations on. Those who spam blue flag will continue to do so until it's not permitted. They aren't going to 'see the light' because they don't want to. Go to another server where such is not tolerated.
8) Dude, srsly. Take a break, have a holiday, take a chill pill, take the dog for a walk w/e. Now you really are just whining.
The LFS community has not gone downhill. The community has grown (= more idiots around) and it has kept its intergrity admirably. Basing general consensus on actions of individuals you don't like is pointless (and by that I mean that it's human nature to take more notice of things we don't like than things that we agree with and take for granted). Instead of looking at how 'bad' the community is, look at how good it is. Free licences flying left right and centre, support given to the devs in patch testing, the addon programmers are still updating their software, UKCT has made a masssssssssssive contribution, yadda yadda etc etc.
It's people who question and undermine the community by posting about how bad the community is that really make it annoying sometimes. Oh, and, if this community was as bad as you make it look, I dare say this thread would look much worse than it is.
Very true. I grew up in a small country town 1,000 or so people everyone knew everyone and because we were so isolated we all helped each other and had respect for one another. Later we moved to the city and while most were friendly you could live next door to people for 10 years and not know their names
the anonymity of city life also means that it is much more likely people will act like jerks towards each other 
in a small country town you couldn't get away with it! 
@NotAnIllusion: About point 1, 'some of those criticisms are apt'. I disagree. If you've spent, for example, 5 years developing a new type of office copier and 95 out of 100 people like it, but 5 people complain about the colour of the light, for instance, would you say that their criticisms are warranted?
@tristan: My point about offline practice was/is that the newbies/rookies 99% of the time get told to go and practice/spend their virtual racing careers offline. I know that you can customise the AI's names and colours, but it gets boring, very quickly. My NKP point was the hyped realistic features, like waiting 25 minutes to change a tyre and a wing in the F3 car. I don't mind the fact that LFS is getting more realistic, and I like it. But there has to be a tradeoff between realism and enjoyment, which was the point of my story, The constant calls for realism are all very well and good, but there's only so much you can simulate.
Also, the FOX is easy?
DK
@tristan: My point about offline practice was/is that the newbies/rookies 99% of the time get told to go and practice/spend their virtual racing careers offline. I know that you can customise the AI's names and colours, but it gets boring, very quickly. My NKP point was the hyped realistic features, like waiting 25 minutes to change a tyre and a wing in the F3 car. I don't mind the fact that LFS is getting more realistic, and I like it. But there has to be a tradeoff between realism and enjoyment, which was the point of my story, The constant calls for realism are all very well and good, but there's only so much you can simulate.
Also, the FOX is easy?
DK
Think of all those comments this way: If you didn't really give a damn about the quality and continued development of the sim, would you comment? The vast majority of the people that come onto these forums have invested time into being in this community. Think about it, we've taken time from our personal lives to have a second online life, if you will, and we all care about watching it develop into the best that it can be. I've been around for over 3 years, and have personally enjoyed the ride, so I thank the devs for all their hard work. But, when I find something that I don't think works right or needs improved, I will make my opinion known in a respectful manner, hoping that the devs read my comments and take from them constructive information that will only make the sim better.
Agreed.....the use of the "noob" related words are not really beneficial to anyone. I was, as we all were, a n00b at one point, and I am really appreciative to the guys like CWMAX, Operator0, Kirves, CheeseySlug, Forbin, and others that helped me with advice and setups in my quest to get better. Because of that, I've tried (admittedly not always successfully) to be mindful of my comments to inexperienced drivers.
Demo racers are just that, demo racers. I personally don't have a problem with a person that uses the demo portion as a way learn about the game and learn how to drive in the game. I do, however, have a problem with demo racers that like to form teams and leagues. Demo is just that, a demonstration of what the sim can be, not an arena for you to play online for free and never reward the developers that have risked their livelihood's to develop their passion for sim-racing. If you race in demo, and like it, buy a license, and pay your respects to the devs.
To be honest with you, I don't really see your point about your friend. I'm sorry he can't be involved in the traditional sense. Regarding the mouse/keyboard racers....yes, I know it's difficult to get a proper controller. But this is a racing simulator and you really should try to get a wheel (any wheel, really) so that you can control the car in a more precise manner. Yeah, yeah, I know...there are many quality kb/mouse drivers out there. More power to you if you can do it well! But, I'm sorry, the vast majority of keyboard and mouse drivers certainly can't control a car as well as someone with more suited controller, and it's frustrating to get wrecked by someone using a keyboard.
Umm...that scenario is really just rediculous. The thought that this needs to be "the most realistic" simulator is in regards to the physics and how races work. I don't really care whether we start qualifying from the garage, or right on the track. Sure, starting from the garage adds to the immersion, but does it really add anything to the racing? No. We want the cars to handle as close to real life as possible so that we can enjoy doing something online that only a few of us have experienced in real life.
I agree with most of the issues raised in original post, but I don't think its a widespread problem. As always its the vocal minority that stand out, while the quiet majority are not noticed. The only time I will remove a new person from a server is if they have no control at all, most of the time I will try to help them lap without crashing which is quite easy to do. But sometimes people either don't want to learn, or just don't improve and ruin the race for everyone, so they have to be asked to leave and learn the car offline.
I've stripped a fem posts out from this thread, please don't bring that line of conversation up again.
Fair point. I do like the idea of a hardcore mode (a la nKP), but not on 'pick and play' servers where I want a quick three races in half an hour, and I don't want the abilility to just quit and rejoin to fix the car immediately (which you can in nkP). There does have to be a trade off, but I think there is still scope to make LFS more realistic, and a LOT more potential for league races.
Yes, the FOX is easy. Lots of grip, not much power. By far the easiest car in LFS. As such I don't bother driving it, preferring the FO8, which feels like the FOX should (imo).
WOW. a must read for all players
After a quick scan I saw some references to this. Bear in mind this is only my opinion but noob is usually a derogatory term to insult someone who is making or someone who has made a mistake. Such as not braking early enough for t1 and taking out half the cars or small taps. Whereas newbie is simply the term for someone new, like rookie is also.
Off topic - @Niko, your called Niko but your still a n00b too
Off topic - @Niko, your called Niko but your still a n00b too
i agree with most of the points.
Anyone who calls the FOX easy obviously has not driven it on the edge, or anywhere near its limits. Also even if it is easy to drive, its by no means easy to race. I find it more challenging that the GTR class, where on public servers I seem to finish in the top 3 or 5 without any effort, just by staying on the track
Anyway back on topic, I think its fine to go slowly online, just so long as you can actually stay on the track and not cause pile ups.
Anyway back on topic, I think its fine to go slowly online, just so long as you can actually stay on the track and not cause pile ups.
Finally! I think a post like this has been a long time coming.
1. It's a forum. 90% of what is written here is about LFS, and people express their opinions, good and bad. I doubt the devs find that insulting, if they think someone's talking crap, then they'll pay no attention.
2. Agreed, it's a stupid "word", but most people here only use it in fun towards people they know, I see very little real name calling.
3. I would like you to point me to where people are doing that frequently enough for you to say it like everybody does it to every new racer. I've seen it a few times, but I do actually think it's good advice to give sometimes.
4. Agreed, but again, not everyone does it, you're S2 licensed - do you do it?
5. Again, I see very little of that. Some people just think a wheel is the best way to play and want everyone else to try it. The days of the old kb vs. wheel debates are long gone, nowadays most people don't care a bit. Also, not everybody playing LFS is 100% able bodied, there is no reason to assume your friend would not be welcomed.
7. Did you have to drag that in from the other thread(s)? Everybody has been over this time and again.
8. People have an opinion that might differ from yours so you complain about it? I refer you to my answer number 1.
2. Agreed, it's a stupid "word", but most people here only use it in fun towards people they know, I see very little real name calling.
3. I would like you to point me to where people are doing that frequently enough for you to say it like everybody does it to every new racer. I've seen it a few times, but I do actually think it's good advice to give sometimes.
4. Agreed, but again, not everyone does it, you're S2 licensed - do you do it?
5. Again, I see very little of that. Some people just think a wheel is the best way to play and want everyone else to try it. The days of the old kb vs. wheel debates are long gone, nowadays most people don't care a bit. Also, not everybody playing LFS is 100% able bodied, there is no reason to assume your friend would not be welcomed.
7. Did you have to drag that in from the other thread(s)? Everybody has been over this time and again.
8. People have an opinion that might differ from yours so you complain about it? I refer you to my answer number 1.
Just had a quick blast on AS Club with Redline. Yup, definately the easiest car to drive. I'm not claiming it's so easy that I hold WRs in it (there is still a lot of skill in getting the car to go REALLY fast), but I'd recommend every newbie learnt in it, because it's so ridiculously easy to drive 'on the pace'.
Prior to the Sauber, it was much harder (though still easier to be quick in that the UF1 or the FO8).
And I don't think I'm slow. Edit: Checking LFSW shows we're about the same speed, perhaps you are about 0.2 up on me. But on a lot of the tracks we either haven't both driven a combo, or one of us has a pb set with pre-BF1 tyres. So you can't really say I'm not driving it as fast as you, because we are very comparable
One more point that really, really angers me.
The whole 'buy a license' point. Not everybody can afford or wants to buy a license. Every time a demo racer asks a question, the reply is 'buy s2'. Put yourself in a demo racer's position, then think before you post.
DK
The whole 'buy a license' point. Not everybody can afford or wants to buy a license. Every time a demo racer asks a question, the reply is 'buy s2'. Put yourself in a demo racer's position, then think before you post.
DK
ZOMG A DEMO RACER POSTED IN THIS THREAD!
BUY S2~!
Oh and i disagree with that post, DieKolkrabe
BUY S2~!
Oh and i disagree with that post, DieKolkrabe
i agree well said scott
I couldnt disagree more with almost all of your points except maybe 1) and 8) in parts. Reasons for that were already given in many posts in this thread. The best one is Stu's on page one IMO.
Can you show at least 10 recent examples for your points 2), 4) and 5)?
I highly doubt that.
Can you show at least 10 recent examples for your points 2), 4) and 5)?
I highly doubt that.
Agree with alot of them points,but at the end of the day everyone is open to an opionion,one thing I don't like is if your not an "OLD TIMER" your not really respected,kinda bugs me
Again, extremely exaggerated. The poor poor demoracers. It's getting tiresome now.
Example: If a demo racer comes on the forum complaining about the high amount of wreckers, it is a good advice to recommend getting a license.
Another example: If a demo racers comes on the forum saying he would like to drive more cars in LFS, it then is...right.
A challenge: as you say it happens everytime I challenge you to direct me to 10 occasions where this has happened and was totally uncalled for. If it happens that much it shouldn't be hard to do.
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