http://www.apple.com/safari/download/

Trying it now, now sure if it will make me change from FF/Opera, but it's still miles better than that awfull IE stuff.........

It's not that great a browser TBH, although I am using it atm Firefox is better IMO.

Ye i downloaded it this morning.
I use 2 monitors in work and if you try maximise it in the 2nd monitor it just crashes....

wow, i put it on Monitor 2, hit maximise and it dissapears. Yay.

Side-by-side comparison with Firefox using iFox

Safari is the worst Mac browser, I know because i'm using it right now having just reinstalled my Mac.

I do not condone the use of this browser.

I'm posting from Safari, i'm not impressed.



Looks nice, but it bolds EVERY link, which makes sites look crap. Can i turn this off?
Any way to set "CTRL + W" to close tabs?
How do i export bookmarks from Firefox?

Oh yes, and i can't even use the mother-fizzling post shortcut. Aarrgh!

EDIT - Ok, fixed the shortcut and bookmarks, now tell me how to use "ALT + S" to post!

EDIT - Nope, i can't close a tab with CTRL + W, meaning that i have to move the mouse to close a tab rather than tapping a button. G'ah!

EDIT - Damnit i can't even get used to not ALT + S'ing to post. Stupid Safari.

Tried it out last night. During the 15 minutes I tried it out it crashed about 7 times or so. I know it´s a beta build and all, but it´s very unstable for me.
Also, quite a lot of pages looked borked. I know that not every page is coded correctly, but considering standards compliance is really good in Firefox and Opera too, it seemed to me it was a bit too bad.
Will be interesting to see how this develops, but I don´t really see what this browser offers that others don´t already do.
Plus, a common problem with apple´s apps for windows is that they´re basically ports and because of that they are usually slow and don´t behave like a proper windows app should.

It doesn't work properly with the taskbar (ie you can't maximise and minimise by double clicking on the title bar, but it's growing on me. Of course, the fact CTRL + W DOES work, but only if you've got 1 tab open (WTF?!) is a little annoying, i like the little blue box around the selected feild though.

Oh yeah. And it's slow.

They're claiming good performance. How's speed and memory usage?

EDIT: Feels no faster than firefox, memory usage is not much better and ctrl+backspace doesn't work (which is on its own, enough to put me off).

I would say it's the fastest browser I have (Currently run Firefox and IE7), the loading times of standard websites is very quick, but putting every link in bold and the font smoothing is too much, it will not be a browser of choice for a while yet, but it is looking very promising

atm, 0% CPU usage, although its hitting 2% occasionally, hits 12% while loading a page, Firefox uses a lot more CPU while loading a page (Portable firefox was just using 35% loading apage, but only for a split second.
Safari is using 24 MB of RAM, 3 less than Firefox, minimise it and it neatly uses less (around 1 MB), open it back up and i get stung with 40% load and it being slow. Of course, i don't care about RAM or CPU usage because i rarely do anything amazingly intensive while on firefox, but resizing the window is norticably slower, and more intensive than with Firefox. It's also slower to load a page, but i'm comparing this to a Fasterfox'ed installation with Adblock (which Safari doesn't have ) and has a few images cached.

Overall, it feels a little.... rough with a lot of stuff being poorly done - but don't take my word for it, try it yourself!

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They're claiming good performance. How's speed and memory usage?

Not good by all accounts, I have seen 200mb mem usage at some points, quite a bit more than FF.

It's beta, and I think it's always fun to test out new things

Erm, i'll leave it installed, closing tabs and going back via keyboard shortcuts sometimes works.

Mem-usage at a constant 61 MB now....

Eww, no Safari. I tryed it on my PC beside me (and the Safari Beta 3 in OSX) and I hate it. It's so.. awkward to use compared to Firefox or (on a Mac) Camino which is a more Mac styled Gecko based Browser, then FF3 (for OSX) will be done entirely in Cocoa, so it will be Mac native.

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Not good by all accounts, I have seen 200mb mem usage at some points, quite a bit more than FF.

Ah, but you have to remember the key to reading any Apple benchmark correctly. You need to find the exact test they did and try that, because they always cherry pick the highest possible score they get, regardless of how insignificant that particular test may be.

Just look at how they had benchmarks showing their G5 processors being many times faster than equivalent x86 processors before, but now that they use x86 themselves they have benchmarks showing the exact opposite. Deceptive marketing? Oh good heavens no!

i had the "pleasure" of using Safari on a Mac today, it was JUST as slow and JUST as buggy to use. Only of course, i couldn't right click!

Seriously, Firefox + Extensions owns this

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Only of course, i couldn't right click!

You can right-click if you have a two buttons mouse, or you can ctrl-click if you have a one button mouse.

I haven't tried Safari on Windows yet, but I use it on Mac and find it much better than Opera/FireFox etc. And I have no problem with it, except for the occasional badly-coded site that doesn't work as expected.

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i had the "pleasure" of using Safari on a Mac today, it was JUST as slow and JUST as buggy to use. Only of course, i couldn't right click!

Seriously, Firefox + Extensions owns this

Unfortunately, I must agree. I was really looking forward to the new release of Safari, because I like some of its features way, way more than Firefox, which I'm currently using. I installed the beta on my Mac last night and was very disappointed. It's still very, very buggy and a lot of stuff wasn't working right.

Hopefully the Apple engineers get on the ball and fix up the problems because the old release of Safari has fallen behind Firefox in a lot of areas and really needs to do some leapfrogging if they want to maintain market share (and represent the company well).

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Will be interesting to see how this develops, but I don´t really see what this browser offers that others don´t already do.

It's coming bundled with Quicktime and iTunes installs, it's going to sneak it's way onto your system without your permission when you least expect it - and that's how they will get the market share.

On the plus side, that buggy piece of rubbish they have put up now is going to be the foundation of the iPhone released in two weeks time - which means it's already in production, which means the iPhone is going to be just as bugged...

As you can see I have lots of confidence in Apple. It's the result of using their stuff for years....

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It's coming bundled with Quicktime and iTunes installs, it's going to sneak it's way onto your system without your permission when you least expect it - and that's how they will get the market share.

That's actually one of the reasons I stopped using iTunes. Aside from being slow and resource devouring. As far as usability I think it's a nice app. But I can't stand you get QuickTime with it whether you want it or not. It also installs an "iPod service" that's sitting there on my harddrive and in my RAM using up resources. But the thing is, I don't have an iPod... so I don't get why it should be running on my system. You can stop and disable the service though...every time all over again when you get an iTunes update.
It also installs some other service called "iTunes Helper service". So far it hasn't helped me a bit though. Even more annoying is that you can stop and disable the service, but when you restart your PC it's back up and running.

I was actually quite surprised that Safari is available in a QT-less version.
It's gone off my system already though, I click the bookmarks button on the toolbar->crash, choose bookmarks in the menubar->crash, add a bookmark folder->crash, import bookmarks->crash, show all history->crash. All reproducible 100%. POS.

well having more browsers is always nice so now im up to 4 all of which have their uses

anyway lets see how useful this thing is

speaking of apple like becky i dont see how many think apple is any better than ms ... if anything theyre far more successful at taking the market driving out competitors and controlling the user via drm yet no one complains

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I click the bookmarks button on the toolbar->crash, choose bookmarks in the menubar->crash, add a bookmark folder->crash, import bookmarks->crash, show all history->crash. All reproducible 100%. POS.

Dump preferences, fix drive permissions, reboot holding down apple and s and type fsck -fy and then reboot, and if that doesnt work validate your user fonts, then if necessary disable all fonts and enable one by one trying each time (shouldnt take long if you have only 8000 fonts like the average mac user...), and if it still doesnt work archive & install your OS. Then, and only then, will a tech support technician start looking at the actual problem...

If that doesn't work, you probably own a Mac.

http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/06/12/0120230
http://erratasec.blogspot.com/2007/06/niiiice.html

Tally so far (atleast):
6 DoS bugs
2 remote code exploits

Better stick to Firefox&Noscript or Opera

Quote from Becky Rose :

If that doesn't work, you probably own a Mac.

Your Mac(s) seem(s) to be a mess, frankly. I have four Macs at home at the moment and my experience seems to be the complete opposite of yours.

I love Safari in OS X (haven't tried the new beta) but the windows version is pretty bad. It won't work with my mouse's back button so I chucked it almost instantly.