IE ftw!

Why run Microsoft XP then not use its browser?
If you were running Apple, then fair enough.

But if IE is that bad, then surely its not worth running XP?

Quote from The General Lee :

IE ftw!

Why run Microsoft XP then not use its browser?
If you were running Apple, then fair enough.

But if IE is that bad, then surely its not worth running XP?

Hahahaha, and the award for the most ironic post of the week goes too...........

Quote from The General Lee :

Why run Microsoft XP then not use its browser?

Because IE6 sucked, i installed IE7 and i don't even have a working browser - i had to replace it with parts of IE6 to get explorer to work ffs.

Firefox is still the ultimate browser imo

Quote from The General Lee :

IE ftw!

Why run Microsoft XP then not use its browser?
If you were running Apple, then fair enough.

But if IE is that bad, then surely its not worth running XP?

I'm sorry, what? I hope I missed a spot of sarcasm there, because that must be the strangest reasoning I've ever heard. I guess I should drop OpenOffice and just use Wordpad too then, since that's what's bundled with XP? If Wordpad isn't worth using, then surely XP isn't either?

Anyway, IE is several orders of magnitude worse than XP has even been (to the extent a browser and an OS can actually be compared). It's actually the very reason Windows has gotten a reputation for being an insecure mess of viruses and spy/adware.

As a web designer, it physically hurts every time I have to go on a hacking spree to fix sites in IE. I'd estimate at least 30% of the time I spend writing HTML/CSS, I spend hacking sites for IE that work perfectly in everything else. That's a LOT of wasted time/money/effort over the years.

Quote from The General Lee :

IE ftw!

Why run Microsoft XP then not use its browser?
If you were running Apple, then fair enough.

But if IE is that bad, then surely its not worth running XP?

As if IE is synonym to XP, and Safari is synonym to OSX?

So, if you don't use any of the standard XP apps you shouldn't use the OS?
Sorry, but that's really twisted reasoning there.

I mean, why run XP if you're going to use Photoshop instead of paint?
(ok it's a stretch but that's how Firefox feels compared to IE )

Quote from Jakg :

Firefox is still the ultimate browser imo

firefox is useless with a large number of tabs which i still havent figured out what theyre for in the first place
ie6 and 5 ftw ... never gave me any problems

I dunno, using Safari in Windows and on a Mac seem to be very different, on my windows I want to kill someone because the stuff I expect to work doesn't. But the same things on a Mac, work just fine.


EDIT: OMG, I just found under window the "Merge all windows" feature, that's sweet after pulling tabs apart ro merge them back. I guess Safari isn't all bad, just mostly, oh and then there's Private Browsing mode, which saves absolutely nothing to cache...

I don't get it. Apple is always boasting about how they make "great software" and that having the chance to use it is worth buying whole computers from them.

Then tell me, why are the only Apple programs I've ever used complete and uttter piles of crap? Is that how they think they can convince Windows users that Apple is great? You'd think they would be extra careful to make sure that Windows users expirience their products as having high quality. Maybe they can't do any better? At least that's the message they're giving me...

I just tried Safari: no mouse hover tool tips on icons, when entering key words into the address bar it tells me to reinstall, when I click on the + icon it crashes completely. All in all about 10 seconds from startup to uninstall.

And don't even get me started on Quicktime.

QT = Pretty bad, and worse that it's the core of all media things, and you can't even change it on a Mac, to something else.
iTunes = I like, makes managing my music easy, and my iPod works well with it... (I wonder...)

Safari = Bleh, Sorta crap on Mac, Very crap on windows, but I don't seem to get all the crashy bugs that everyone is reporting, I am using it in Windows Server 2008 Beta 3 though.

Apple's certainly bringing the true meaning of Beta back. Here's Digg.com in both Firefox and Safari:

wtf ?

any yes it does look that blurry with fonst smooting on light

Quote from Shotglass :

wtf ?
any yes it does look that blurry with fonst smooting on light

Pretty much how the lfs forum looked for me in Safari, but at least in mine it displayed the images

Ignore me if I sound stupid but I really dont see everyones reasoning of using Firefox over IE.

Please understand I am no Jakg. I am not big on programming etc.

But why say "Yea, IE sucks balls!!" What OS are you running? "XP, why?"

You are really just contradicting yourself really. - I'm not flaming you and I understand that Firefox has more features and is maybe a split second faster. But why slate IE, made by Microsoft as we know, but use the OS.

I can understand why FF is better, but to knock IE while using the OS to me just seems silly. Its like owning a Bugatti and saying damn VW's sooooo badly made. Kind of...

Quote from The General Lee :

But why say "Yea, IE sucks balls!!" What OS are you running? "XP, why?"

I don't really see what the two have to do with each other. Sure IE is included with XP, but that's all really. For me personally Firefox offers me things that IE can't. But that doesn't mean I shouldn't use the OS it's included with. Because the OS itself suits me just fine and I have no big problems with it. The browser however doesn't suit me.

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You are really just contradicting yourself really. - I'm not flaming you and I understand that Firefox has more features and is maybe a split second faster. But why slate IE, made by Microsoft as we know, but use the OS.

It's no contradiction really. Compare it with not buying a car you really like just because you don't like the stereo system that comes with it. You get a different stereo system for it.

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I can understand why FF is better, but to knock IE while using the OS to me just seems silly.

Sorry but I still don't get your reasoning An OS and a browser are two different things and one's not excluding the other. I can like the OS but not like the browser. The same as I can choose to use a different filemanager than windows explorer. Essentially an OS is just a platform that enables you to run applications on it.

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Its like owning a Bugatti and saying damn VW's sooooo badly made. Kind of...

No, because Bugatti and VW's are both cars. IE and XP are not both an OS or browser

But in the end, everyone has different tastes and preferences, so one should just use what one feels comfortable with

Quote from The General Lee :

Ignore me if I sound stupid but I really dont see everyones reasoning of using Firefox over IE.

Please understand I am no Jakg. I am not big on programming etc.

But why say "Yea, IE sucks balls!!" What OS are you running? "XP, why?"

You are really just contradicting yourself really. - I'm not flaming you and I understand that Firefox has more features and is maybe a split second faster. But why slate IE, made by Microsoft as we know, but use the OS.

I can understand why FF is better, but to knock IE while using the OS to me just seems silly. Its like owning a Bugatti and saying damn VW's sooooo badly made. Kind of...

Just because MS put it into their OS (and got fined pretty bad for that) is no reason why we can't prefer third-party software, especially if IE is a pile of cr*p...

It's a fact that IE has wide open holes that compromise your security, it's slooooooow, it's not compatible with website-standards and so on...

Quote from The General Lee :

Ignore me if I sound stupid but I really dont see everyones reasoning of using Firefox over IE.

For many people it's just anti-MS fanboism. Especially the things that are often listed as advantages of FF such as speed, security and stability are exactly the things where IE is better or just as good. The real reason to use FF is to install lots of extensions that do useful things and to be able to customize almost everything. But you've got to be prepared to accept with the poor performance speed, CPU and RAM wise that comes with it.

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

QT = Pretty bad, and worse that it's the core of all media things, and you can't even change it on a Mac, to something else.

On a Mac I like Quicktime, on windows it's a waste of time and where did you get the idea you have to use quicktime to open videos? I use VLC as well, better for playing high res videos where performance is an issue but less easy to control play back and doesn't look as nice

I use iTunes on my Mac but personally think it's fairly crap on Windows, the fact sound distorts
if you stretch it across two monitors is annoying as is its general resource hungriness. When I used to have music on my PC I used foobar, which was great for shuffling music but not so great when you wanted to listen to something specific.

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Your Mac(s) seem(s) to be a mess, frankly. I have four Macs at home at the moment and my experience seems to be the complete opposite of yours.

It was geek-satire, my Mac is fine - having been reinstalled just a few days ago to do vanilla testing for a new product. Some of my job involves tech support, and the previous list of fixes is a stereotypical Mac support call... It's what all these Windows people about to install Safari are in for !

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For many people it's just anti-MS fanboism

For me it's poor middle button mouse support, lack of tabbed browsing, slow page loading (no really, it's extremely slow - wierdly, as the OS' html rendering is faster natively when I hook into it), lack of integrated pop up blocking, no page highlight feature, and the fact that every tom dick and harry who ever visited a wares site is an expert at exploiting it.

On the plus side it does alpha a div very well, and page resizing is faster than Firefox - but for the IE rendering engine I preffer to use Avante - although I use Firefox for most things so that I can have a reasonably good browser on both PC & Mac that is more or less the same. I sometimes use Opera, just to be awkward.

The pleasure of broken web 2.0, now on windows.

Quote from bbman :

It's a fact that IE has wide open holes that compromise your security, it's slooooooow, it's not compatible with website-standards and so on...

the last time (in years of using ie) i had anything crawl into my pc unwanted was while using ff ... and im not running any kind of useless desktop firewalls (which are a sad joke anyway) and my pc is hooked directly to my modem no nat no nothing all ports wide open
and about slowness ... ie is every bit as fast as any other browser ive used so far ... if anything its one of the fastest ones for actually displaying what its got rather than waiting for everything to load

Quote from Shotglass :

pc is hooked directly to my modem no nat no nothing all ports wide open

It's a miracle you're even able to write that. Any PC running Windows is but-raped within seconds of being connected directly to a modem.

Quote from Lautsprecher[NOR] :

It's a miracle you're even able to write that. Any PC running Windows is but-raped within seconds of being connected directly to a modem.

rubbish complete and utter rubbish ... who told you that ? the zone alarm developers ?

Quote from Becky Rose :

It was geek-satire, my Mac is fine

Oh! Well done, I completely missed that.

BTW, one thing I love in the new Safari (on Mac at least, as I still haven't tried it on Windows) is the ability to move the tabs around, or even move a tab out of the tabs bar to make a new window of it. Very handy.

Quote from Lautsprecher[NOR] :

It's a miracle you're even able to write that. Any PC running Windows is but-raped within seconds of being connected directly to a modem.

Mine's been like that about 6 years and not one virus, one spyware though for not doing the research before install of one hippyprogram.