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#1 - NikoP
Lol, something wrong with my computer, again :|
I think it's a virus or some kind of error.

When i start my computer, it loads well, until, after when the Windows XP has loaded(after the loading screen, before the login thingys), it reboots itself.

I've tried everything, even tried to reinstall Windows(but couldn't), but for some reason it just reboots itself again and again.

This happened after i installed windows updates.
Quote from NikoP :
This happened after i installed windows updates.

well there's your problem XD
microsoft are known for breaking pc's with the updates.
#3 - NikoP
Quote from Stew2000 :well there's your problem XD
microsoft are known for breaking pc's with the updates.

lol :P
#4 - CSU1
Quote from NikoP :lol :P

You're lol'ing alot for someone who cant start their pc...where you postin from? O.o?

anyway, try to start it in safe mode..
#5 - NikoP
Quote from CSU1 :anyway, try to start it in safe mode..

Only if it wouldn't reboot.

I am posting from my old 1337 pc, AMD Duron 1.0GHz and nVidia Riva pwnage.
Ouch. Painful one, because you have automatic restart after a crash activated. If you manage to boot into safe mode (F8 when starting, you only have a few seconds after the OS starts loading) check your disk for errors (chkdsk /f at prompt), try restoring your system on a previous date (yesterday should be fine) if you want to try a solution that I consider quick and dirty. Or disable automatic restart after crashes, if you get a blue screen when rebooting write down, do a search and act accordingly to significant documents you find (avoid doing shit).
If safe mode is unavailable try doing a chkdsk /f from recovery console (boot from original Windows XP CD) and reboot. If the problem goes away, fine. If it stays you'll have to diagnose the system further, maybe do some repair with a boot cd. The latest version of UBCD 4 Windows is quite fine for this, and helped me in a lot of situations (including completely unbootable IBM servers with proprietary raid5 controller drivers). You have to prepare it, but it's quite easy. Unless you know the exact reason for the reboot, you cannot do anything but quick fixes that have no guarantee of working. Need I say that you have to be a bit careful on what you do in this situation? If you have important data, back them up, if you can.
You could even attach your hd to another computer to do stuff and backup data, but still you need the right tools. Once again, UBCD 4 Windows is a good start.

Edit: last known good configuration could work too, if you get to the login screen.
#7 - TiJay
Could also be getting too hot, although this is unlikely if it crashes at the same time every time.
#8 - CSU1
Quote from TiJay :Could also be getting too hot, although this is unlikely if it crashes at the same time every time.

na, it sounds like a major hardware conflict after windoze update..probably memory causing a bsod...he'll need to start in safemode and try to undo the changes with what aielbeg said or the system restore function..
#9 - NikoP
Quote from TiJay :Could also be getting too hot, although this is unlikely if it crashes at the same time every time.

it's been since Thursday, haven't got an idea how to get it back working.



Thanks Albieg, will try that one.
#10 - Jakg
Quote from Albieg :Ouch. Painful one, because you have automatic restart after a crash activated. If you manage to boot into safe mode (F8 when starting, you only have a few seconds after the OS starts loading) check your disk for errors (chkdsk /f at prompt), try restoring your system on a previous date (yesterday should be fine) if you want to try a solution that I consider quick and dirty. Or disable automatic restart after crashes, if you get a blue screen when rebooting write down, do a search and act accordingly to significant documents you find (avoid doing shit).
If safe mode is unavailable try doing a chkdsk /f from recovery console (boot from original Windows XP CD) and reboot. If the problem goes away, fine. If it stays you'll have to diagnose the system further, maybe do some repair with a boot cd. The latest version of UBCD 4 Windows is quite fine for this, and helped me in a lot of situations (including completely unbootable IBM servers with proprietary raid5 controller drivers). You have to prepare it, but it's quite easy. Unless you know the exact reason for the reboot, you cannot do anything but quick fixes that have no guarantee of working. Need I say that you have to be a bit careful on what you do in this situation? If you have important data, back them up, if you can.
You could even attach your hd to another computer to do stuff and backup data, but still you need the right tools. Once again, UBCD 4 Windows is a good start.

Edit: last known good configuration could work too, if you get to the login screen.

WOW! My Mum's PC keeps doing this, i boot into Safe Mode to see whats wrong, and i find nothing - i go away, she starts and it runs fine - now i know why! Thanks
That happened to me before. But I formatted my computer to fix it.

If not, go on another computer (and have your broken one beside you) and consult http://forums.techguy.org..

They fixed all my problems..
#12 - Jakg
...whereas i would recommend Overclock.net if it's over my head because that forum seems to have NO section (or knowledge) of hardware
Quote from Albieg :Ouch. Painful one, because you have automatic restart after a crash activated.

Sorry, but it didn't crash. I shut it down as usual, it installs the updates, and it closes. Then on the next day, after my exam, i open my computer, and it reboots.



EDIT: I got the reboot thingy away, now i get a blue screen which says some .dll called urlmon is damaged.

And yes, it's a virus, i think...
Must resist watching porn in the future
reinstalling windows might be quicker than screwing around trying to fix the problem. Im never installing SP2 again because when i do windows starts to play up and do weird stuff, so ive found just leaving it always works best for me.
#16 - CSU1
Quote from NikoP :Sorry, but it didn't crash. I shut it down as usual, it installs the updates, and it closes. Then on the next day, after my exam, i open my computer, and it reboots.



EDIT: I got the reboot thingy away, now i get a blue screen which says some .dll called urlmon is damaged.

And yes, it's a virus, i think...
Must resist watching porn in the future

as soon as you start the pc and when you see the bios information did you press F8 to bring up the boot menu????
Quote from CSU1 :as soon as you start the pc and when you see the bios information did you press F8 to bring up the boot menu????

Yes, and pressed "Don't reboot when system failure", then i got a blue screen saying that urlmon.dll is damaged. Virus?
#18 - CSU1
Quote from NikoP :Yes, and pressed "Don't reboot when system failure", then i got a blue screen saying that urlmon.dll is damaged. Virus?

did you then try to start it in safe mode? if so did you run XP's system restore service?

also read this http://support.microsoft.com/kb/160158 , microsoft seems to think its a dodgy file in IE's temp file...look at the resolution there if sys restore does not work.
If you can do a System Restore in safe mode it would repair it. (damn it, CSU!)

Quote :reinstalling windows might be quicker than screwing around trying to fix the problem. Im never installing SP2 again because when i do windows starts to play up and do weird stuff, so ive found just leaving it always works best for me.

Also if your PC has a support disc, run that and choose to repair the Windows installation and it'll keep all your documents.
Quote from TiJay :If you can do a System Restore in safe mode it would repair it.

Only if i could get there, it only brings a blue screen or another reboot. :|
#21 - CSU1
Quote from TiJay :If you can do a System Restore in safe mode it would repair it. (damn it, CSU!)



wot u talkin about....why wouldnt you beable to run sys restore in safemode

@ nikop: yuck if you cant even get into safemode
47 post per day, niiiiiice, very good.

Good luck with your comp though.
Quote from Blackout :47 post per day, niiiiiice, very good.

The. Posts. Just. Keep. Coming.


And yes, i am going to remove the HDD soon from it and see if i can fix it using this computer.
Urlmon.dll is a system dll that's loaded at startup by Explorer (the system shell, not internet explorer). It may be damaged. You have to fish for an urlmon.dll and replace it via bootcd or Recovery Console and see if everything is fine.
- Find a correct urlmon.dll (if your other system is a Windows XP Service Pack 2 up to date take it there, or look for a backup copy in the same computer. An older version may work well too, but if you can, go for the latest possible one). Save it to a floppy (if you have it).
- Boot Recovery Console (or prepare an UBCD 4 Windows and boot it).
- Enter the c:\windows\system32 directory
- Rename urlmon.dll in urlmon.bak
- Copy the new urlmon.dll in the same folder.
Don't delete the original one, rename it in case you need it later.
In case you didn't do a chkdsk, do it as soon as possible.
I had to fix a PC this afternoon: it crashed during Windows Update, and the file ntfs.sys was gone. I didn't even have to repair it: a chkdsk from recovery console fixed the problem perfectly without having to replace the dll.
Otherwise, if applicable, reinstall, but I wouldn't do it. I seldom do it. Unless I have a badly mangled hard disk, when I am able to trace back the problem I ALWAYS investigate it and try to solve it. It's much better than reinstalling for a number of reasons, the most important being a far better understanding of the problem, with all the added advantages.
If and when the problem is solved, check your hard disk for bad sectors. I use HDTune and HDDHealth, the second one because HDTune gives some false positives on SMART parameters when default data values are too close to the threshold value (for instance 100 and 97). HDDHealth does far less than HDTune, but I use it to double check SMART results when I think I may have a false positive. Remember to check the Event registry for added clues.
Quote from NikoP :The. Posts. Just. Keep. Coming.

Niko, Easy way not to post. Get out of your room and go mack up some chicks. Look for anyone your age, ask her if she wants to go for a walk, and then take her to the forest and go "AND BY WALK, I MEANT SEX!!!" in a very over the top way. Remember to wear protection, and then go back home, and don't post about your sexual encounters.


Just format and re-install, easier and less work.
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