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The way of the future.
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Poll : Which will you be driving in the future?

Biodiesel
27
Electric
26
Hybrid
11
#51 - Jakg
It involves taking something out and putting a new something in - i did mean to read how to do it (considering it's 50cc it will stil being limited to 29 MPH and i'll be looking at 50 MPH).

Of course, i'm gonna buy neons and some carbon fibre, maybe even a type-r sticker for some more power! :P
Quote from Shotglass :sure ... but the warming we see right now is neither local nor short

Post up some proof then...
Quote from XCNuse :Miserable cold where you can't go outside and play in the snow, instead its just... cold. See, it's enjoyable when it's cold and snows, but when it doesn't snow.. it just pisses me off lol because then it's just plain cold and that's isn't any fun.

Where I'm going off to college however has never seen snow since the ice age, so.. I think I'll be okay.

OT: where you going to school?

back on: Dunno. The Hydrogen/Biodiesel is more promising for the petrolheads at the moment.
The mining and refinement process for the metals used in high tech batteries is just as bad or WORSE for the environment then running a car on gas, so biodiesel is imho the best for us and the environment.
Quote from wheel4hummer :You consider wikipedia to be factual?

denying everything wont get you anywhere ...
either stop those childish antics or were done here
Quote from Shotglass :denying everything wont get you anywhere ...
either stop those childish antics or were done here

Childish antics? People can just go on wikipedia and change whatever they like. You can't use wikipedia as a source of factual information.

Quote from wikipedia :Global average air temperature near the Earth's surface rose 0.74 ± 0.18 °C (1.3 ± 0.32 °F) during the past century.

And, who came up with this number? There is no citation of where this number came from...
Quote from wheel4hummer :And, who came up with this number? There is no citation of where this number came from...

ffs theres 65 references on that page and every single graph has tons of text under it where the data came from
last chance for you stop the childishness or im done here this isnt the first time youve displayed this or similar behaviour round here
Quote from Shotglass :ffs theres 65 references on that page and every single graph has tons of text under it where the data came from

You really don't understand. The line I quoted has no citation...
... and im done
Quote from Slopi :This is true. Everything is made from particles of matter, and depending on the outside influences on it's current state of being (gas being burnt), what happens is the heat changes the molecular structure into another form. This includes carbon buildup, exhaust fumes etc. Furthermore, energy can never 'cease to exist' either. It only changes forms. Humans are a great example. What we're made of didn't just come from nowhere. We are the leftovers of cosmic dust and other various elements.

(Not intentionally trying to run this post off topic, I just had a geek moment.)

If you're going to have a geek moment, you should at least get things right Nuclear reactions cause the conversion of mass into energy.
Fission FTW!

On the subject of future energy sources, we'll be on fossil fuels for quite some time yet. The standard joke in the industry is that we've had 50 years' oil reserves for the last 50 years! Biodiesel/bioethanol isn't quite the 'fix all' that some people believe it to be, partially because of reasons stated in this thread, but there are also some knock-on effects of using biofuels (particularly regarding engine emissions, which is my field) which mean that there are quite a few problems to be solved before we all start driving about in bio-fuelled cars.

Long-term, electric drive will probably be the way forward. Build enough nuclear power plants and you don't even have to produce CO2 to charge the batteries
Quote from Shotglass :mass is energy

Yeah, OK, but the original post was 'matter cannot be created or destroyed". I was just pointing out that matter can be destroyed (in the sense that the matter no longer exists as part of an atom, but has been radiated away) during a nuclear reaction.
Quote from StewartFisher :I was just pointing out that matter can be destroyed (in the sense that the matter no longer exists as part of an atom, but has been radiated away) during a nuclear reaction.

You are just converting the mass to energy. Newton didn't know about nuclear reactions.
Quote from Shotglass :ah the great lipo scare

Indeed, the great lipo scare. I've read time and time again on the RC forums from someone who mildly crashed their RC plane, yet had to dispose of an expensive lipo battery because it swelled from that very mild crash. Once it swells, it's done. An attempt at charging or using will result in a lipo fire. So, I ask again, what happens when the lipo powered car is in an accident if a mild crash of an RC airplane can render a small lipo not only useless, but an extreme fire hazard if it is used? I don't think I want to be sitting near a bank of xxx amp 12 volt or whatever it would take to power a car, lipos.

Quote :all of these videos look extremely dramatic but at the end of the day you really have to deliberately destroy them to make them dangerous
additionally if you would have taken a look at the related videos you would have seen that containing these lipo explosions appears to be rather simple to do
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... ;mode=related&search=

Yes, they were extremely dramatic, because the majority of them were demonstrating what could happen with overcharging a lipo. As for containing them, your video shows an excellent way to contain a hobby sized lipo for charging. But it is going to take a significantly larger bank of batteries to run a car than that 1200 mah 2S in that video.

Quote :also i was refering to lithium titanate batteries which claim to be safe from explosion ... now tbh i dont know enough in chemistry or material engineering to confirm this but it at least sounds good
http://www.altairnano.com/docu ... rnanoEDTAPresentation.pdf

Ah, ok, but you did say "lipo" which is lithium polymer, not lithium titanate I didn't read that link yet. But if it's a makeup that would give the same or better performance than lithium polymer without the charging and damage risk, that will be fantastic for the RC hobby.

Oh, and it's really funny folks suggesting the 50cc bikes for transportation. I drive 20+ miles to work. I really don't think I want to be on a 50cc anything with what I see driving to and from work. Heck, 250 cc is, IMO, dangerous to be out on the road with others around. And I'm with XC and the cold as well. I really don't want to be out for an hour riding to work on my little 20+ mph 50 cc scooter when it's -10 or -15 degrees Fahrenheit out with 20 mph winds (the cold gets exponentially colder with wind).
Quote from Shotglass :the amount of energy needed to do this is realtively low compared to what you get out of it

Where did you get those figures? Last time I calculated the energy needed to convert water to hydrogen and oxygen it was higher than the amount you get when you burn the hydrogen. So where do you get that energy?


Quote from Shotglass : water as a greenhouse gas is way more complicated than that ... at the same time forming clouds it cools the planet

Same goes for smog.


Quote from Shotglass : a huge power plant has a WAY higher efficiency than a small car engine which has a pretty pathetic efficiency to be honest ... so in other words youll have to burn a lot less fossile fuels to poer an electric car than to power a petrol one

Yes and no. Huge power plants have greater efficiency but small electric motors don't. Besides electric cars, atleast ones that have a decent operational radius, have to lug along a load of batteries = extra weight.

What about cold climates? Everybody knows how batteries can die when it's cold. Try putting a few new batteries in the fridge and then put them in your torch. Twinkle twinkle little star...

LiPo batteries have a higher energy density than most others but are very fragile. And you don't need to especially try to blow them. A mate of mine almost blew his and he used a LiPo charger with the correct program. The problem must have been that he had rolled his RC-car the other day and the Battery had sustained internal damage. Absolutely no visible damage on the pack until it started to swell.
Quote from mrodgers :Indeed, the great lipo scare.

i still think the scare is way overrated

Quote :Yes, they were extremely dramatic, because the majority of them were demonstrating what could happen with overcharging a lipo. As for containing them, your video shows an excellent way to contain a hobby sized lipo for charging. But it is going to take a significantly larger bank of batteries to run a car than that 1200 mah 2S in that video.

so youll have to use a whole bunch of containments
the point was its possible with relative ease

Quote :I didn't read that link yet. But if it's a makeup that would give the same or better performance than lithium polymer without the charging and damage risk, that will be fantastic for the RC hobby.

they claim ~4kwh/kg 100c discharge and 50c charge

Quote :I really don't think I want to be on a 50cc anything with what I see driving to and from work.

lumpy dont make a car safe
personally ill always take active safety over passive

Quote from March Hare :Where did you get those figures? Last time I calculated the energy needed to convert water to hydrogen and oxygen it was higher than the amount you get when you burn the hydrogen. So where do you get that energy?

tbh they were pulled from somewhere
but youre indeed right the efficiency is somewhere in the 70% range
but as far as engergy goes ... were all sitting on a friggin huge fission reactor ... i still dont get why we dont use its energy more

Quote :Same goes for smog.

but not for co2

Quote :Yes and no. Huge power plants have greater efficiency but small electric motors don't.

a smallish rc motor with brushes has an efficiency in the 70% range ... take away the brushes and youre up to 90+ use a bigger one which naturally is usually more efficient and youre way way beyond anything an internal combustion engine could ever dream of achieving

Quote :Besides electric cars, atleast ones that have a decent operational radius, have to lug along a load of batteries = extra weight.

with a combustion engine you need to lug around
fuel
gearbox
massive engine (especially with the ever so popular diesels)
take all that in account and i doubt an electric car with a similar range will come with any significant weight difference

Quote :What about cold climates? Everybody knows how batteries can die when it's cold. Try putting a few new batteries in the fridge and then put them in your torch. Twinkle twinkle little star...

well yes below -40 youll get qiute a few issues with modern batteries ... but its not like you dont with petrol engines

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