One thing in my mind.

Lets say a team is fast enough to qualify in the fastest div for each race. But the team isn't fast enough to score points. Would that mean that teams that jump up and down in the divisions, and teams that aren't fast enough to qualify for Div 1 but still gets points in Div 2 will lead over that team in the overall championship?

Or is there points for every position?

Quote from MyBoss :

One thing in my mind.

Lets say a team is fast enough to qualify in the fastest div for each race. But the team isn't fast enough to score points. Would that mean that teams that jump up and down in the divisions, and teams that aren't fast enough to qualify for Div 1 but still gets points in Div 2 will lead over that team in the overall championship?

Or is there points for every position?

I think all places get points in both divisions. Not equal though, more like in OLFSL, the less points in the less divisions.

Imo there's a mess to qualy before each event or even worse to let the qualy just before the race. I see caos around the corner fairly easy ...

A team have several drivers, all prolly faster in one car then the others. I don't think changing combos will do that much difference to justify a division change.

Don't make it to complicated. It's not unfair to look at the divisions after the first three races or so.

pre qualy ftw

I think a system like we had in the last DTM season makes quite sense.
After the race it would be like we have just one big division. Everybody gets points (first pos the most and after each driver less, maybe with a gap between the divisions).
For the qualifying: Let's say the race starts at 20 UTC. All 3 servers would be open for the qualification at 18:30 for 1h. During that hour everybody can pop in to do the qualification.At 19:30 the qual will be done and the admins have time to set the starting grid which will be postet in the Forum.

We did it like this in the DTM and it worked good.

It might become quite interesting when one of the team driver is in division 1 and the other in division 2 for a race (pointwise).

That's sounds like a good way, but possibly tricky to organise?

Random question:
Is there a requirement that BOTH of the teams drivers race in the same division?

good question, im not sure. ill try get on to arrow once he has finished racing

Quote from MyBoss :

Random question:
Is there a requirement that BOTH of the teams drivers race in the same division?

I thought only one car would be racing per team. i.e. with two drivers sharing the team car?
or is it gona be two cars entered per team?

If we are to use the quali system, then to make it more interesting at least choose a different combo to Rnd 1.

Perhaps suggestions? Something specialist or maybe all rounder?

FOX KYNAT?
TBO SO Sprint 2?

Think

hrmm yah, good idea.
still need a xfg/xrg round somewhere though, that race rox

Quote from [DUcK] :

hrmm yah, good idea.
still need a xfg/xrg round somewhere though, that race rox

I think his idea is to use different prequal combos to the combo used in round 1. So he's not suggesting a change to the schedule, just different combos for prequal.

PreQual combos shouldn't be the same configuration as during the season. All long tracks are a good choice

I'm against this simply because it's yet ANOTHER combo to learn - what would be wrong with using the combo for Round 1?

Quote from Jakg :

I'm against this simply because it's yet ANOTHER combo to learn - what would be wrong with using the combo for Round 1?

Well surely learning another combo would seperate the men from the boys aye Jack

I don't understand how learning another combo is neccesary - the better we know the track, the better the racing, so surely the best combo would be the one for Round 1.

Oh, and James, what are you entering in? If it's an XFG i think it's a little rich to lecture me on "men from the boys" :P

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I don't understand how learning another combo is neccesary - the better we know the track, the better the racing, so surely the best combo would be the one for Round 1.

Oh, and James, what are you entering in? If it's an XFG i think it's a little rich to lecture me on "men from the boys" :P

Well to be honest, the round 1 combo is a little boring. If quali events are to be held, it would be more interesting to have a different combo. Teams have to practice for quali event and then 2/3/4 weeks later another round to start the series.

If you can't do that Jack then go back to school and learn...boy

Just because in your opinion a combo is boring doesn't mean it shouldn't be used as a quali combo - if your team can't drive a combo why should we have to learn a new one? :P

Fusion picked this combo as the first one - why not use it to gauge speed?

Quote from Jakg :

Just because in your opinion a combo is boring doesn't mean it shouldn't be used as a quali combo - if your team can't drive a combo why should we have to learn a new one? :P

Fusion picked this combo as the first one - why not use it to gauge speed?

I don't like the combo, does not mean others in DR don't

Why cant things just be kept simple and uncomplicated?

4 combos, 2 done on server A, 2 done on server B, 20min qualifying session, 10min break.
Teams send a single driver into each of the 4 sessions, total each teams time up, and thats your divisions divided by the results of 4 combos, not 1.
No 'that combo doesnt suit our team' nonsense, no favouritism, no disadvantages, wide variation of combos to test teams in different departments not just 1, and its all over and done with in 50min, 60 if you want to round it off.


Eitherway, im just hoping that Fusion come up with a decision, discussing the best way of organising factors of a series is one thing (its good if opinions are being listerned to), but really a decision should be made and then only changed if it really isnt suitable. IMO they should listern to ideas and then make a decision, not let it go on forever, afterall this is dividing half the teams, its not rocket science and its not even an all that important aspect of the season, no teams season hangs in the balance of this decision it just needs a solution and thats that sorted.

Quote from PaulC2K :

Why cant things just be kept simple and uncomplicated?

4 combos, 2 done on server A, 2 done on server B, 20min qualifying session, 10min break.
Teams send a single driver into each of the 4 sessions, total each teams time up, and thats your divisions divided by the results of 4 combos, not 1.
No 'that combo doesnt suit our team' nonsense, no favouritism, no disadvantages, wide variation of combos to test teams in different departments not just 1, and its all over and done with in 50min, 60 if you want to round it off.

Stop coming up with good ideas. You are making us all look bad!

Nice idea Paul, once again. Well done

Quote from Jakg :

I don't understand how learning another combo is neccesary - the better we know the track, the better the racing, so surely the best combo would be the one for Round 1.

Oh, and James, what are you entering in? If it's an XFG i think it's a little rich to lecture me on "men from the boys" :P

Most drivers in this league will have probably raced all if not most of the combos, so 'learning' a combo doesn't really come into it. If you're only competitive after 400 laps then perhaps that's something you should look into.


As for pre-qual I think its the only suitable idea, it wouldn't be fair just to split teams into divisions based on prior race results and such.

Quote from PaulC2K :

Why cant things just be kept simple and uncomplicated?

4 combos, 2 done on server A, 2 done on server B, 20min qualifying session, 10min break.
Teams send a single driver into each of the 4 sessions, total each teams time up, and thats your divisions divided by the results of 4 combos, not 1.
No 'that combo doesnt suit our team' nonsense, no favouritism, no disadvantages, wide variation of combos to test teams in different departments not just 1, and its all over and done with in 50min, 60 if you want to round it off.

This is what I was trying to say from the get go, basically =)

Quote from Rooble :

Most drivers in this league will have probably raced all if not most of the combos, so 'learning' a combo doesn't really come into it. If you're only competitive after 400 laps then perhaps that's something you should look into.

I agree, if your only competitive after many laps on the track you need to rethink your learning curves =) I know I have not raced 1/10th of the combo's available in LFS, but thats what will separate a good driver from a great driver IMO.

Quote from PaulC2K :

4 combos, 2 done on server A, 2 done on server B, 20min qualifying session, 10min break.
Teams send a single driver into each of the 4 sessions, total each teams time up, and thats your divisions divided by the results of 4 combos, not 1.
No 'that combo doesnt suit our team' nonsense, no favouritism, no disadvantages, wide variation of combos to test teams in different departments not just 1, and its all over and done with in 50min, 60 if you want to round it off.

Good for all

Quote from PaulC2K :

Why cant things just be kept simple and uncomplicated?

4 combos, 2 done on server A, 2 done on server B, 20min qualifying session, 10min break.
Teams send a single driver into each of the 4 sessions, total each teams time up, and thats your divisions divided by the results of 4 combos, not 1.

I was thinking of something similar to that but not sure how it could work with 3 divisions 48 teams.

I Was thinking...

LFS tracker running on 3 servers, each with different combo
Fwd, Rwd and open wheeler combos
The Servers will run for 2 - 4 weeks.
All team drivers can drive on the servers and put in their best lap but only the fastest lap from each team driver will will be count from the 3 servers
add all the 3 fastest laps together.
This determines divisions

example:
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/4924/lfstrackereb5.jpg
1st place - SK
2nd place - Cyber
3rd place - 1ST
4th place - #low

The idea is pretty good and I suppose it can easily be done.

Since this is a team event it would be good idea to count the time from three (or four) drivers. I mean the idea is to use more then one driver from each team uh?