Hmm. I thought about trying to be diplomatic here, but to hell with it. Clownpaint, what is up with this? You want to make sure that the white man's extensive history of enslavement is not forgotten? Just how BNP are you exactly?
Question answered, it would seem.
It's Giovanna Amati, unless you are trying to be funny here. Freudian slip perhaps?
Hamilton is amazing, I saw his driving for the first time during one of the ELF indoor karting events in france that always had many of the F1 drivers competing which up and coming drivers. Think it was in '99. Anyways it was ****ing amazing seeing him come from mid pack to win. He's won each openwheel series he's been in, can't understand why you guys think he doesn't deserve to get the ride..
Hm, I just cleared everything I wrote, because it went way off-topic, so I'll condense it into a single question: Would I be sexist against males if I noted that hypothetical next president of the US, Hillary Clinton, is the first woman to be president?
The man speaks the truth. I used to watch German TV sometimes. When my German ex-girlfriend came to live with me here in the UK she just loved watching the adverts!
Gotta say though - BBC coverage of F1 was much better than ITVs for the simple fact there were no ad breaks.
As for Hamilton, I look forward to seeing how he does. I don't believe he is overrated. I saw his performance at Turkey. Anyone who can pull overtaking manouvers from that far back gets the nod from me. Maybe he was given it on a plate, maybe not - I don't know, I wasn't there.
Clownpaint, I find your rhetorical wriggling disingenuous in the extreme.
Sure, white people have been enslaved on occasion. That's a matter of historical record. Your point in bringing this episode up when the more recent and more extensive issue of black slavery is in the news can only be to deflect attention from the culpability of European nations in what was done to Africa. One can only speculate about your motives for doing such a thing.
I apologize to the rest of the readership for dragging this sort of political issue into the forum, but I could not let CP's original comment stand unchallenged.
Sorry, what has the menstrual cycle to do with the ability to be president?
I'd say exactly as much as a black skin has to do with he ability do drive a race car - nothing at all. You seem to think differently on the former?
Otherwise, my analogy still stands.
Edit: Just to make it clear: We're speaking about two people who differ in a) skin color b) gender, do the same thing with the same success a) race driving b) politics, but one gets more credit because (s)he is a) black b) a woman. I don't see the flaw, unless the one getting more credit actually starts with an ability-disadvantage. (It wouldn't work with a blind man winning a regular marathon)
I have a feeling that CP's original comment was sort of meant like this (in a tongue-in-cheek way):
Tristan said "the first former slave in F1" - however there just might have been many more former slaves in F1 since all F1 drivers have been white until now since some of them could possibly have been descendants from white slaves in north Africa. *cymbal splash*
A little bit. His performances are still massively influenced by being in the best car with the worst double world champion in F1 history. Passing Alonso at Melbourne and resisting Alonso's efforts at Indy were the ONLY notable things he's done in my opinion.
But I was impressed by his attitude at Mangy Cours, where he allowed the Ferraris to fly away, and didn't come up with lame excuses, and didn't overdrive or get cross.
But so far, he still hasn't done enough to be marked as a 'great' yet. A future champion with absolutely no doubt, but future champion does not mean great.
If it's wet at Silverstone we'll see a lot of evidence as to his quality. And he needs a low grid position (for whatever reason) so we can see how he copes with that.
I'm glad that Tristan and I can disagree and still be friends: Tristan
you are wrong . I think Alonso had a lot of talent. (Note use of past tense...) and I think he genuinely deserved his two championships which where earnt whilst for a substantial part not in the superior car against a man who was supposedly the best. Even if you dismiss what he managed to achieve against all odds, you can still look at almost any race he's competed in F1 up until the start of this season and say ... That guy is good.
As for Hamilton, well, he's shaping up ok. I think the fact that Tristan has stopped talking about him in terms of whether he's any good and started talking about whether he's one of F1's greats says a heck of a lot.
Personally I feel no need to cast judgement on the lad (just yet) but I do hope he does well and does us proud. Lord knows Stevenage has nothing else going for it.
Dalek, please never let me catch you telling someone to use the search feature .
Think you meant F1 
