Who knows what the future holds!? We had a fantastic time during beta testing, with the BnJ server. One of the significant differences between beta testing and going live, though, is that we moved from a bunch of people we know really well and trust implicitly to a lot of completely unknown quantities. Probably the key word is "maturity".

We knew this would be the case ahead of time, though, so we set the rules very clearly for the BnJ server. It's a separate set of rules which needs to be agreed to, and we mean them very much.

If someone is driving in a way that isn't in accordance with the rules we've set, please do report them. It's all meant to be fun, but it's no fun if you are being constantly bashed by an idiot with no grasp of the purpose of the server. They're the ones out of synch, though, because they *have* read and agreed to the rules. They've absorbed the rules, accepted them, taken them on board, and gone ahead and broken them anyway.

Nobody who goes banger racing on the Bump and Jump server should be surprised if they're banned from the CTRA system.

I see and take all of your points, particularly about going from beta to live - suddenly, you've no idea who's in the server and what they might be doing.

There is also the fact that it's quite possible to click the 'I agree' button without reading or absorbing the rules - sadly, it seems a fair few people are doing just that. But I think that once these first few days of madness (of excitement on our parts, just outright madness on some others' ) have passed, and people settle into it a bit more, we'll see a big step down in wrecking activities - I certainly hope so, because at the moment it'd be quite hard to review a replay without banning several people after every race!

You're quite right, though, there's a big future out there for Bump and Jump, as well as CTRA as a whole.

Perhaps we should have a Clean BJ Club (Well, might as well use that acronym for something good ) for those who actually do follow the rules, with badges to go on skins or something

Sam

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There is also the fact that it's quite possible to click the 'I agree' button without reading or absorbing the rules - sadly, it seems a fair few people are doing just that.

Yep, I expect there are people who do that. They're not exempt from the rules just because they didn't bother to read them, though.. they said they did, and that's why they were allowed to join the track. They'll be held to the rules, like it or lump it

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Perhaps we should have a Clean BJ Club (Well, might as well use that acronym for something good ) for those who actually do follow the rules, with badges to go on skins or something

Sam

Long-term, I can imagine a time where drivers who have demonstrated good driving in the face of adversity (these layouts are pretty mean things!) will likely be elevated to such a server

Quickly switching the purpose of this thread - the system is down in the Bump and Jump server, as of about five minutes ago, because some clever people thought that voting to End Race would get them the RB4 they were whining about driving - seems that the manual End Race has killed the system. Obviously $admin is down, and LFS couldn't find Becky online, so this was the only way I could think of to notify you guys.
Is there any way to disable manual End Race votes such as that?

EDIT - Correction, it's actually down in all CTRA servers.

Sam

Cheers Sam! I've restarted the X-system, and it appears to be working again. Becky's at the docs this afternoon, and I think we'll both be back online this evening. I'm still at the UKCT party but I'm not the only geek with a laptop on his knee.. there are 5 of us at the moment. The rest of them are either eating or drinking Amaretto

I think people just need to find out that it's not banger racing, that's the main problem, because it's new and the name doesn't help I think people assume its banger racing, which it isn't.

If you see it happening you just need to tell them it's not banger racing, it's actual racing. If that doesn't work, report em!

Cool, thanks Sam
Good to hear.. hehe

I think we might as well make this the general discussion thread for Bump and Jump.. I gave it a generic enough title

garph, you've got a point, but remember they have to agree to the rules saying it's not banger racing before joining the race, so they have very little defence. But, yeah, 'reminding' them first is a good way to go about it

Sam

Referring people to the $rules and $about section whilst filling in a report is my advise. When I looked at the reports yesterday it was 95% bump and jump server, and to be honest most of them where thrown out - but I think the infaction system should make it clear what is expected of those who did break the rules.

The problem with Bump and Jump is although it isnt banger racing (LFS doesnt really support it) it also kind of is...

Those layouts where meant to be hellish dangerous, and where meant to cause accidents. Sure some are better for racing, but can anyone here put their hand on heart and say they took part in a 16 car grid at Tudor Rose and everyone finished? Or Champagne? Or Pit of Despair?

The problem is its actually more fun to race it properly - not only do you usually get better results, but it makes the accidents more amusing.

The guideline we use is not to push people into walls, this seems the fairest thing to do. It allows for some argy bargy - if you notice the rules dont reffer to overlap, and specifically mention that spinning someone is ok although unsporting.

We expect contact on bump and jump - and we expect it to take a few $rep's before everyone is on the same playing field - and we dont mind if it gets a little bit dirty.

Just remember that it will serve your result better to race properly, dont push people into walls, and others will do what they see you doing, and what they see might not be what you do.

becky, off topic, there's no insim in the servers ... i already told Christopher... about a min ago...

Good point well made.

By the way.. The system's down again >.<

EDIT - Tree'd because of the time it took to read Becky's post

Sam

Might have been said... but;

When the LFS collision detection etc. is fixed, I can see servers like this becoming more popular

Not to mention a lot less annoying

Yes, it really is about time collision physics and lag issues were sorted out. But it's worth waiting for

Sam

Spent the night on B and J all I can say was it was mad upto about 10:30 - 11:00 BST and after that it cooled down a bit.

Figuratively was just awful too many being overzelous it was like a plague and T1 was a nightmare PS. the shortcut was possible again tonight

Champagne was just totally insane with a full grid, a few times during the starts I got hit over the barrier in the bottle neck landed on my wheels and took the lead into the tight hairpin does that class as a shortcut

I'll have to get back to my CTRA licence again tomorrow

Big problem tonight with Bunnyhop as it was too laggy for half the grid and they voted to end after 2 races, I even disco'd out of the lead of race 2

Other than that good racing the majority of the time and spent half the night in stitches laughing at what was going on

Champagne was crazy, here a pic, not great because theres no sky and i have not a great PC

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Big problem tonight with Bunnyhop as it was too laggy for half the grid and they voted to end after 2 races, I even disco'd out of the lead of race 2

totally agree.... even with my 2 x 7800 GTX's was FPS terrible!!!

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Champagne was crazy, here a pic, not great because theres no sky and i have not a great PC

Hah! I see myself back in the back waiting patiently for all the cars to land before I continue

If people drive by the rules, B&J racing is absolutely great racing!

Too right. I had some brilliant races this morning with Poolek and Jack Mac, great fun when you know each other and can predict moves accurately, and so on - you can have some seriously close racing! Just feels so good when you manage to pass someone - or even get passed - totally cleanly, without losing pace. Great.

Doing something where I can actually hold my own with the fast boys, and be in the top 25, is a nice feeling too

Sam

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totally agree.... even with my 2 x 7800 GTX's was FPS terrible!!!

Layouts seem to hit the CPU extra hard, chances are your CPU is the limiting factor

I think this Server is great fun however can I make a few suggestions which might reduce the carnage slightly;

1. One track has everyone tearing towards a left hand corner of about a 130 degree's that has to be taken in 1st gear. You can only fit one car at a time through the shoot that follows. This means that unless your lucky your car is wrecked before you start as you get Pummelled from behind and often fly right out of the Carpark. Could the corner be made two lanes wide?

2. On one of the other tracks the layout is great, however if you happen to get wrecked and go back to the pits to start again (Most of the time), you speed out of the pits only to meet the leaders coming straight towards you !!!!

This must be pretty annoying for them if they have already completed most of the race and they get wiped out.

Cheers
Craig

2 - That is Pit of Despair. It's surprising just how slowly LFS'rs are learning that they cannot drive on the limit. T1 never ceases to dissapoint me.

There was a server before where nobody plundged into that ever, after a track change too... wait, was I in there alone?!

Dustin

I had a race or two in Pit of Despair last night, and despite my dampers not liking landing from the jumps, I could still have finished it.. Were it not for everyone else hammering off the walls and leaving their cars, on their roof, in the middle of the track.

Could we not have a rule that, if your car is not mobile, you must spectate/pit, rather than sitting there blocking the track, waiting for someone to accidentally hit and flip you?

Sam

Sam there is a 90 sec sector rule in place, if you do not complete a sector in 90 sec you are auto spectated, but these hazards can add to the fun IMO.