Do you guys consider Drifting as "real" racing? I know that FIA doesn't recognize drifting as an official form of motorsport (and many other organizations dont too). What do you guys think?
Drifting?
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#1
- lizardfolk
Drifting?
drifting isnt really racing, its more about control and style not about who crosses the line first. and as for the fia ,,|, to them! it is a sport!
#3
- lizardfolk
Nicely said
It is a sport, of course it is, but its mainly a show. I like it, but I wouldn't say it needed the FIA to spoil it.
Its not racing at all. There is no "race" element in what happens. But I would class it as a MotorSport, as the cars have motors and its a sport. 
Drifting has nothing to do with racing. But some motor sport bodies do sanction it and from a track-use and safety point of view it is warranted that it be regulated by some motor sport body.
I wouldn't say it's really a part of motorsports in any real life sense. But I don't mean that in a dismissive way. What I mean is that if you were to go inside any normal racing paddock and ask the people there about drifting the majority wouldn't be bashing it, they just wouldn't know it even exists.
So basically drifting has to be able to stand on its own feet if it wants to gain more acceptance, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. But I don't know enough about drifting to know if there already is a commercially viable series in some part of the world.
The point I'm trying to make is that drifters are always talking about racers vs drifters when in fact drifting is still far too low key for any kind of dispute to even begin.
Saying "FIA doesn't recognize drifting as an official form of motorsport" is like saying FIFA doesn't recognize public ball juggling as a form football.
So basically drifting has to be able to stand on its own feet if it wants to gain more acceptance, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. But I don't know enough about drifting to know if there already is a commercially viable series in some part of the world.
The point I'm trying to make is that drifters are always talking about racers vs drifters when in fact drifting is still far too low key for any kind of dispute to even begin.
Saying "FIA doesn't recognize drifting as an official form of motorsport" is like saying FIFA doesn't recognize public ball juggling as a form football.
comparing drifting to racing is like comparing wrestling to boxing or something similar. 
it is a sport, but the show-aspect is extremely important.
it is a sport, but the show-aspect is extremely important.
FIA Drifting championship.... cool. no.
How can you think its a race? Some guy could just not drift, and say that he didn't know HOW to drift.. It should stay as a Competition, and not be run by Major Orgs. Like the FIA.
How can you think its a race? Some guy could just not drift, and say that he didn't know HOW to drift.. It should stay as a Competition, and not be run by Major Orgs. Like the FIA.
fact of the matter is drifting isnt a race and never will be a race, as i said befor its all about car control. if the FIA accepted drifting as an "official motorsport" they would ruin it completely, like it has been ruined in america. over there its no longer about a man and his car, its all big names trying to make money. case in point falken they have what? 4-5 cars? no longer in america can a driver become a pro drifter using his every day car, thats he's built with his own hands using his own money that he's worked so hard for. instead companies mass produce the cars for the drivers, it sickens me it really does! DRIFTING HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT INDEPENDENT DRIVERS IN THEIR OWN CARS THAT THEY'VE WORKED SO HARD TO BUY AND TUNE UP PUT ALL THEIR TIME AND EFFORT INTO TO GET IT PERFECT. ..!. american drifting and ..!. the FIA
What are you saying?
That F1 is no longer man vs. machine vs. man, but big money with the big companies? Just because drifting was brought out into the world through television etc. doesn't mean it is like that whenever someone drifts. There are historic races and other things that people do because they can, not because they are supported by large companies.
And you're wrong. There are places in America where you can test your own car around a drift track that you made with your bare hands. And I'll add the closest place that does it to me is at the Braves' Turner Field parking lot, and they do it every single weekend.
There's no reason to stereotype such qualities of a country.
what im saying is that big companies will spoil the spirit of drifting in america it is no longer man and HIS machine its man driving the COMPANIES machine. fair enough people drift their cars on track in america but not at competitive levels and if the do they gain nothing from it apart from maybe being drafted into an american D1 team where they no longer drift their own car but a car supplied by the company american D1 has sucked the life out of drifting in the states
you seem sensible but it isn't commercialism like nascar F1 or any other its just the spirit the ppl have about drifting like they had 20/ 30 years ago about f1 and its gonna be a rolling stock pile of cash sometimes in the later years and ppl are gonna get bored of drifting and seek some other way to kill them selves
You're making America sound like the enemy here, America (actually it isn't even America's fault) has commercialized drifting, and for companies, that is a HUUUUUGE business right there. When people see sponsors on winning cars they think "huh.. if they can produce a winner I'll go buy some and maybe I can be a winner too."
Look at the America's cup sailing tournament. A few decades ago that was just a few guys getting together to have a race, just like how drifting got started. It got commercialized too and business came in and helps those guys along. Just because business came in and technology makes the winners win, doesn't mean there aren't still a group of guys out there doing it the old fashioned way.
When a tree falls in a forest and no one is around does it make sound? Just because you don't hear about something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
I hate to burst your bubble, but the emergence of competition drifting in the US was for the sole purpose of gathering revenue and advertising to the gullible masses. When the Japanese founders arrived in the US with the concept they weren't thinking about some guy building his dorifto mobile in his back yard and going on to fame and glory, it was all about marketing possibilities and making profit from the spectacle. Nothing at all has changed except that the plan has now been fully implemented. All the organisers ever cared about was people showing up at the gate and paying money to see the sponsor's advertising splashed across the cars so that they might start to believe that they too would be cool if they only used Brand X coilovers or whatever.
D1 style events are spectacles to entertain and make money. The "spirit" of drifting that you elude to may be held by enthusiasts of the drifting form but is very far removed from these big events and those who sponsor them. It was intended to be like this from the beginning of the commercial drifting movement.
Your wasting time with this Topic to be honest, Drifting is a totally Different Sport, its like Ski Jumping Vs Downhill Skiing. They are too different
The topic is about drifting being recognised by motor sport governing bodies like the FIA etc. Ski jumping and downhill skiing may be different sports but they are still both ski sports. Racing a motor car in a racing event or drifting a motor car in a drift event are still both motor sports. Those freestyle dirt bike events are still motor sport as are lawn mower races or power boat races etc.
To return to the ski sports analogy, the IOC governs all olympic ski sports (and other sports like various athletic disciplines and more). There would be nothing odd about a motor sport governing body covering drifting or any other sport that involves motor vehicles. However, apart from enforcing safety procedures I don't see many other benefits in this case.
Ok, the Ski thing wasn't the best smilie, because both those Ski sports, are governed by the FIS, but the sports idividually are the same as drifting and racing, Downhill is simply the same as racing, you go as fast as you can , to the finnish line, without skipping the track, ski jumping and Drifting, are accumulated by your 'style' points..
Although, i really don't know how you would judge a drifting competition... There is only 3 things... The length of a Drift, how much steering lock is used, and if the corners are connected well.. Well, and maybe if all the width of the track is used.
You just answered your own question if you didn't notice.Here however is the full list:
1. Angle
2. Speed
3. Line - closer to race line clipping points is better
4. Throttle position - wide open throttle is better
5. Whether the vehicle accelerates on the straightway
read more: http://www.d1gp.com/index.php? ... w&id=14&Itemid=28
Well, thanks for showing me that XCNuse, it seems to me its more professional than i first thought, and NOT some RWYB nonsense
Well I wanted to know in part too, so. 
The first three make sense, the ones you said; but those last two .. never heard of those rules before.
The first three make sense, the ones you said; but those last two .. never heard of those rules before.
Obviously the cars need to be rigged with sensors, or they will be relying on peoples good will.. and if Alonso is anything to go by, they are going to try and cheat
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