Quote from thisnameistaken :

He is not going to be happy about that.

Nor am I. I'll be very interested to read the FIA's statement when it's released.

Oh.

So the current status is that Alonso is a cheat and he and Ron Dennis are liars.

I might have to do some rethinking about which team and driver to support...

FIA sucking up ferraris arse, perhaps?

Well, think about it. Ferrari are spitting the dummy and making as much fuss as they can, the FIA will want them back on their side.

Yeah i know, consiracy theory bollocks, but you never know

Well then perhaps Ron saying it was Hamiltons fault is partly true, but it seem like he was trying to divert attention from what Alonso or his engineer did because he knew what would happen. That would explain why he was so angry, not just potentially losing pole position but possibly all points.

Still this makes the race so much more interesting, now the two team mates don't have to worry about taking each other out of the race too much.

That makes 3 german drivers in the top 5 then.

They still get drivers points though, so theres still somthing to drive for.

It seems Hamiltons excuse is that Kimi was close to Alonso and he didn't want to let him past because it would compromise his strategy. Anyway enough about all that crap, my money is on a BMW winning the race.

FIA press release.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/61373

Apparently, the extra 10 seconds was alonso asking where they had put the right tyres onto his car, and that couldnt be done before because they were counting down on the radio. Is it just me, or do 1 set of tyres have a huge white line round them, and the others dont?

also.

Quote :

"The explanation given by the team as to why they kept Alonso stationary for 20 seconds after completion of his tyre change and therefore delayed Hamilton's own pit stop is not accepted.



The actions of the team in the final minutes of Qualifying are considered prejudicial to the interests of the competition and to the interests of motor sport generally. The penalty to be applied is that such points (if any) in the 2007 Formula One Constructors Championship as accrue to the team as a result of their participation in the 2007 Hungarian Grand Prix wilt be withdrawn."

So, as far as i can see, Mclaren are getting punished because mclaren impeded mclaren.

Fairly intelligent apes is actually giving them a compliment. Fucking Idiotic arseholes sounds a little better.

That is worse then a Shumi tactic....

Becuase atleast Shumi trys to hide the fact he is cheating, Alonso's one was so plainly obvoius. He should be banned from the race..

Quote from Mustafur :

That is worse then a Shumi tactic....

Becuase atleast Shumi trys to hide the fact he is cheating, Alonso's one was so plainly obvoius. He should be banned from the race..

Yeah, alonsos punishment isnt the bad thing, but the fact that hamilton and the rest of mclaren get punished for it?

In the rules it doesn't say your allowed to be unsporting to your team mates, the rule applies to everyone (unless your names Schumacher).

I don't understand all this. It seems that the FIA have reviewed the team radio recordings and decided that the explanation offered by Ron Dennis wasn't accurate.

Why would Dennis lie about what happened when he knows the FIA have access to the radio communications? If it really was Alonso holding Lewis up deliberately, why did Dennis move the blame completely onto Hamilton?

If the timings posted by jamvib earlier are true then Hamilton probably wouln't have had time to start a new lap anyway, even if Alonso had left the pit as soon as the lollipop moved.

I accept that it's possible Alonso did this on purpose but it seems pretty unlikely that he would have got the timing so perfect if that's the case. The story put forward by Dennis seems to make sense, but the FIA didn't accept it. Either Dennis is a liar (which I very much doubt) or the FIA are deliberately screwing Alonso and McLaren.

EDIT: Just read the FIA statement...now I'm even more confused! It's starting to sound like Alonso may have held up Hamilton unneccessarily, in which case his penalty is deserved. There really would be no point in asking if the right set of tyres had been fitted at that stage in the session unless you wanted an excuse for sitting in the pits. What I really dont understand is that the FIA are penalising McLaren for impeding themselves!

Well they have to punish them somehow, they would look a bit suspect going round for tea and cookies after letting them off without punishment despite being found guilty before. I guess its even now, guilty no punishment, innocent...punishment. I dunno its all too confusing to me, I will stick to Mario Kart.

This move the FIA have done is a completely stupid move, about as stupid as the Mclaren-Ferrari scandal.

Anyway i hope it rains so we can have a thriller like the last race and maybe see a random win the race..

Taking McLaren's constructors points away is a convenient way of making the constructors championship artificially close. McLaren are 27 points ahead, so even if Ferrari only score 2nd and 5th they'll cut the points gap in half.

I think the FIA would like Hamilton to win the championship this year - look at the way he got his car pulled out of the gravel at the Nurburgring. Alonso has good reason to be frustrated I think, given that he was unfairly penalised a couple of times last season (Monza quali, and the whole "mass dampers" fiasco) when it would've been popular if Michael had won it.

If they removed Alonso's points the race would seem meaningless, that's the crux of it for me. He is going to fight like a bastard to win tomorrow, and you know when someone like Alonso throws caution to the wind, then you get to see something special. Taking away McClaren's points shows that they didn't like it and they don't agree with what he did, but it doesn't undermine the race, which hurting Alonso achievements tomorrow would. The FIA are smart to balance fairness with the most interesting situation that's happened in F1 for years.

If you wanna ask me, which I know you don't, then they shouldn't take pole from Alonso. Everyone rants on about fairness, but you don't get to be world champion by being fair. You become WC by sticking the boot in and going for broke. Formula One would suck if it wasn't for people like Alonso keeping it interesting. Fair play to him.

Quote from Clownpaint :

Cheating?

He also set the fastest lap, matching his low fuel times, was that cheating too?

Senna must be a crap cheat too, he did worse.

Senna was a cheat.. If he wasn't fast, he would trip out and go mental.
Much to the same as Alonso

Quote from BenjiMC :

Alonso knew he was gonna be in for some in the PC too. He looked to be very flustered wiping his eyes a lot and looking a bit scared tbh. I expect a little bit more than a slow pit stop tomorrow after the way he looked. Or at least he does anyway.

I got the impression, he didn't think anyone noticed haha, he was thinkin 'yea great.. they haven't clocked on!'

Quote from Clownpaint :

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news ... d-up-is-hamilton-s-fault/



I just got sent this and I see it has already been brought up.

The only reason they are doing that CP, is because Lewis, isn't going to quit is he? Hes the one that can be pushed around, and he will still stay and do his job. Alonso is the flying spaniard, that would quit on a whim.

:munching_

I can't believe they penalised Alonso for that.

Quote from tristancliffe :

Proof that Alonso isn't, and never will be a worthy champion. Dirty tactics, despite the fact that Alonso can't keep up with a novice.

To me, that sounds remarkably like Schumacher.

Oooooo...interesting.

Did anyone see the nascar Busch race at the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve this weekend also?

LOTS OF DIRTY RACING THIS WEEKEND.

feeling sick at the moment. i hate to see that level of integrity.

Steve

Another update:
In the FIA report it sounds like FA is making some stupid excuse for holding up LH on purpose (asking about the tyres).

Norbert Haug now explained this in more detail. They put old tyres on FA's car, he saw this from inside the car and had a short discussion with the engineer as to the reason why the tyres were old.

TBH this explanation is the first one that makes sense to me and makes everything click into place. The problem with the assumption that it was a dirty Alonso trick is that I can't imagine that he has enough information as a driver to actually be able to time a maneuver like that correctly.

Still odd that it takes a whole day to come up with an explanation that makes sense. If the current version is true then why didn't they sort it out in the PC after quali?

The whole thing stinks. If what Norbert Haug says is true then Fernando Alonso has been punished for Lewis Hamilton's arrogant disobedience of team instructions.

I've just seen the footage of the start of Q3 on ITV and Raikkonen was nowhere near through turns 1 and 2.

Sounds like it's Hamilton who needs to be given a talking to.

ITV is an absolute ****ing joke, right now there saying that hamilton done the right thing by disobeying orders.