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So...new to LFS, don't know which car to start of with?, then you're in the right place

A large propotion of it is skill, of course, but no amount of skill allows you to exceed what the car is technically capable of....there are some setups here.

http://setupfield.teaminferno.hu/

If you've been on LFS demo for a while now...and you're an experienced XRG, XFG, XRT driver....than that will help....I would suggest starting on the 'CTRA Race 1' server...as there is much competition on this server...and a wide range of skill...as you experience...you will be lead to the more professional Cars, (harder to drive), such as the TBOs (XRT, FXO, RB4)....than the GTRs, these GTRs consist of, small GTRs, and Big GTRs,

Small GTRs: UFR, XFR
Big GTRs: FXR, XRR, FZ5 (I would recommend FXR, for faster, and easier driving)

Here is a list of the cars, and what they are used for

Drift: XRT, FZ5

Capable of Drift: RAC, LX4, LX6

Fast Race cars: GTRs (FXR, XRR, FZR), i suggest FXR

Rally: RB4

Fast Road Car: LX4, LX6

Close competition: XFG, XRG, UF1

Fast FWD: UFR, XFR

Reasonably Fast "Touring car" (TBO): XRT, FXO, RB4, (RB4 is fastest, than XRT, than FXO)

"Go Karting": MRT (For some reason, isn't used as much as i'd like to see

Fun Formula: FOX

When you know what your doing : BF1

Racing Lines

This thread can may be help you for drawing racing lines: Here !

It's not totaly useless but not as usefull as we would though. Seeing a map and a "real" track is a complet diffrent story hehe

Demo Users

Just try take the corners slower at first...than faster, basically, max speed you wanna be going is,

50 on the first corner, flat out on chicane, let go for 0.2 seconds, than floor it again half way through
Brake when the more darker tarmac starts...and get to a speed of about...65-67mph, and than till the last corner, take all those corners at mostly 70mph, and on last corner take that at...well, 70-75mph?, and then your all good, try to keep the car not sliding much, apart from maybe the first corner, you should get some good entry angle in that, it slows the car down well, and gets you going
good luck with that combo


Hope this little guide thing i put together in like...2 mins helps

Guide will be updated tomorrow 9:00 GMT, when i have more time, to put together a more detailed guide

Thanks
Harjun

Quote from harjun :

...as you experience...you will be lead to the more professional Cars, (harder to drive), such as the TBOs (XRT, FXO, RB4)....than the GTRs, these GTRs consist of, small GTRs, and Big GTRs,

If the slower cars are so easy to drive then why don't you get a WR in one

I don't see why LFS'ers (and some "respected" LFS leagues) think bigger, faster cars = harder, "more professional", better racing etc. all cars take skill to drive, and to hold an XRG on the limit takes JUST as much skill as an FO8.

EDIT - Telling people speeds is a very bad ideas as A. It's dependant on wheel spin, B. If you "aim" for a speed you will crash because your not concentrating on the road, and you don't mention lines at ALL.

Yep...sorry Jack i was just gonna start a drawing now...on the lines etc...make a video and stuff on it... and it SHOULD be finished by latest...tommorow evening

Quote from Jakg :

EDIT - Telling people speeds is a very bad ideas as A. It's dependant on wheel spin, B. If you "aim" for a speed you will crash because your not concentrating on the road, and you don't mention lines at ALL.

for some reason i´m still very often concentrating on the speedo rather than on the track and my lines.

Quote from Biohazard :

for some reason i´m still very often concentrating on the speedo rather than on the track and my lines.

...some say they hear the correct speed(bs imo), and others look at speedo for apex entry speed

Quote from CSU1 :

...some say they hear the correct speed(bs imo), and others look at speedo for apex entry speed

Not bs i'm afraid. I do it all by ear, just listening to the revs and tires.
The only time i ever look at my speedo is when I'm coming into/exiting the pits

If you have wind on, for example, then how can you say you should be doing xMPH in any given corner?
The only way to know if your on the limit is through feel and listening to your tires.

Quote from CSU1 :

...some say they hear the correct speed(bs imo)

I know i need to be pulling 118+ MPH around the first turn at SO1 Rev in the FO8 to be quick, but if i aim for that speed i WILL crash, if i watch the speedo i'll crash - i can hear how quick the engine "picks up" to tell me if i have (or haven't) done well. I thought it was BS too, but i just wasn't good enough :P

Quote from CSU1 :

...some say they hear the correct speed(bs imo), and others look at speedo for apex entry speed

LfS' engine sounds fortunately contain much information, so it really is possible to know if you're doing it right by listening to the engine... You may not get the speed spot on at the limit, but you'll get very close...

Have you experience driving a car without a tachometer? If not, I can see where your opinion comes from... Just think of this: You have no tachometer, how would you know when to shift?

Quote from Biohazard :

for some reason i´m still very often concentrating on the speedo rather than on the track and my lines.

I honestly find that very surprising coming from such a fast racer. I've tried to ween myself off the speedo, and now you're telling me you rely upon it? Pah!

...at the end of the day everyone to his own ey,

yeah Moose I can't just outright call it bullshit, that was silly, I meant to say I don't agree going through your whole on-line racing career not looking at the speedo, as Jakg said it's hard to aim for your target apex entry speed and get on the perfect line...I supoose thats how the really fast drivers do it IRL being able to set up apex entry speed by looking at speedo within two seconds and then enter apex....is how I do it/ or believe is how it is to get it perfect....let's face it listning to engine and tyres will get you around that apex shit quick...but that all goes out the window if the driver behind you entered that same apex three mph quicker.

(anyway, don't listen to me, I ain't so fast, I've never even used a wheel lol!)yet

RB4 is not faster than the XRT??

Quote :

50 on the first corner, flat out on chicane, let go for 0.2 seconds, than floor it again half way through
Brake when the more darker tarmac starts...and get to a speed of about...65-67mph, and than till the last corner, take all those corners at mostly 70mph, and on last corner take that at...well, 70-75mph?, and then your all good, try to keep the car not sliding much, apart from maybe the first corner, you should get some good entry angle in that, it slows the car down well, and gets you going
good luck with that combo

Every corner is different..

On short to medium tarmac tracks and all Rally tracks, the RB4 is the clear fastest car, with the XRT lagging behind, and the FXO with all the makings of a VERY nice car, but castraton slowing it down - on longer tracks the XRT puts up more of a fight, but the RB4 still fights (imo) too hard, and the FXO is disproportianally slow considering the RB4 is only a tiny bit harder.

Quote from Jakg :

On short to medium tarmac tracks and all Rally tracks, the RB4 is the clear fastest car, with the XRT lagging behind, and the FXO with all the makings of a VERY nice car, but castraton slowing it down - on longer tracks the XRT puts up more of a fight, but the RB4 still fights (imo) too hard, and the FXO is disproportianally slow considering the RB4 is only a tiny bit harder.

lol, come on man.

XRT has more BHP more Torque and the RB4 is heavier. plus the Rb4 is 4wd more understeer.

EDIT : i see that is has about 0.1 bar more than the rb4

Quote :

Reasonably Fast "Touring car" (TBO): XRT, FXO, RB4, (RB4 is fastest, then XRT, then FXO)

Gee, what would i know being in the STCC *shrugs*

The 4WD means they can get the power down out of the corner earlier, and the XRT tends to understeer/oversteer a lot more than the RB4 does

Quote from Takumi_lfs :

plus the Rb4 is 4wd more understeer.

By the nature of AWD cars, with a configurable torque split such as we have in LFS, their handling both on and off throttle can be easily customised. Setup as I like them, AWD cars still drive somewhat like RWD, but without oversteer or understeer under power (and slight oversteer off throttle). Technically faster as you're maximising use of available traction at all four corners of the car.

So i was wrong wrong and wrong again?

I still beat up RB4 driver with my XRT... So If i have Rb4 with an good setup, I will be faster??

Quote from Takumi_lfs :

So i was wrong wrong and wrong again?

I still beat up RB4 driver with my XRT... So If i have Rb4 with an good setup, I will be faster??

no....at the end of the day it's up to skill

A large propotion of it is skill, of course, but no amount of skill allows you to exceed what the car is technically capable of.

Quote from DarkTimes :

A large propotion of it is skill, of course, but no amount of skill allows you to exceed what the car is technically capable of.

you said it man...thats being put on my post....

Quote from harjun :

no....at the end of the day it's up to skill

No, at the end of the day its up to what your "better" in, i personally can't stand the RB4 or XRT, but i'm fairly quick in an FXO.

Quote from Takumi_lfs :

So i was wrong wrong and wrong again?

I still beat up RB4 driver with my XRT... So If i have Rb4 with an good setup, I will be faster??

Yup, it should be.

Quote from Jakg :

No, at the end of the day its up to what your "better" in, i personally can't stand the RB4 or XRT, but i'm fairly quick in an FXO.

That's because you're a big girls blouse.

It's because i started off being an utterly apalling driver, and the FXO was the only car i could keep in a straight line, so it was all i drove - the STCC came up and i put a shed load of laps in and i love it to bits now, and while i'm not exactly slow in it, the intake restriction/added weight criples it just a bit too much imo.

(But i'm a big girls blouse too )

FXO...for people who aren't men enough to drive in a straight line/control the power
XRT...for Men who know how its DONE
RB4....for people....who Kind of know how its done....as long as its set to 95% power on the rear!

Quote from harjun :

FXO...for people who aren't men enough to drive in a straight line/control the power
XRT...for Men who know how its DONE
RB4....for people....who Kind of know how its done....as long as its set to 95% power on the rear!

well, i guess you drive the fxo then?

This thread can may be help you for drawing racing lines: Here !

It's not totaly useless but not as usefull as we would though. Seeing a map and a "real" track is a complet diffrent story héhé =)