Stats of the last 3 hours: http://www.mediafire.com/?52gmsmhx9zf

Nice race everyone... Looking forward to see the final result, whatever they can find out, from the first race...

Thx for racing everyone... good, clean and fair fighting....

Wow... this should be an interesting one for timing and scoring to sort out. The tally:

CP disconected after 21 laps (S1 of L22 38mins in), 19 laps (S1 of lap 20 1:15), 11 laps (S1 of L12 1:38), and finished with 48 laps. Totalling 99 laps, the same as TDRT and LOTF cars.

Cyber had done a Full 31 Laps, then disconnected in the pit lane. They rejoined and did 70 laps.... 101 total?

Quote from srdsprinter :

Cyber had done a Full 31 Laps, then disconnected in the pit lane. They rejoined and did 70 laps.... 101 total?

That's actually more screwy, been trying to work it out considering where they could place. But as far as I can work out they're actually a lap off the lead lap. They did 30 laps (not 31), and then missed a lap under the safety car rejoining at the start of lap 32, but somehow ended up getting another 70 instead of 69. AKA, they did 100 total, but they should've only gotten 99 laps as far as I can tell, somehow the disconnect put them in a position to run one more lap than they should've. I could be wrong considering I can't figure out the exact mechanics behind why they got an extra lap, but this is what I've found so far.

/Edit - Durr, they basically partially unlapped themselves, not sure how that'll work out with trying to figure out exactly where they finished :P

/Edit - Doh, didn't know about that 50% rule, that probably puts them in 1st. :'( and probably congrats :P (Editing based on future posts is fun)

Quote from srdsprinter :

CP disconected after 21 laps (S1 of L22 38mins in), 19 laps (S1 of lap 20 1:15), 11 laps (S1 of L12 1:38), and finished with 48 laps. Totalling 99 laps, the same as TDRT and LOTF cars.

Looks right - should be 99 laps + 2 more or less full S1 sectors if they are counted in.

Our last disconnect cost us about 2 min 45 secs because I wasn't sure what was going on with Niki and therefor hesitated, but for too long.

Would have "gained" a lap (100 in total) if I had acted faster.

Quote from r4ptor :

Looks right - should be 99 laps + 2 more or less full S1 sectors if they are counted in.

Our last disconnect cost us about 2 min 45 secs because I wasn't sure what was going on with Niki and therefor hesitated, but for too long.

Would have "gained" a lap (100 in total) if I had acted faster.

The way the rule reads:

Quote :

15.1) If a team’s car has entered the second half of the track when its driver disconnects, the team is given credit for that lap. Conversely, if it has not yet entered the second half of the lap, the team is given credit for the previously completed lap.

You don't get credit for those first sectors, assuming you disconnected while still in the first sector. If you'd crossed the split line, you'd get credit for that lap.

It's sort of arbitrary, but you need to have rules for those occasions.

So this is what happened. I was on my 31. lap when I pitted in, just about to swap cars with scipy and then my PC decides to freeze. Dunno where the problem is even the mpr freezes my PC at the same place. But anyway, after that scipy started from the pits and did 70 laps. That one extra lap is obviously because he wasn't actually leading when the 3 hours was driven but in front of the "leader".

So if that 31. lap I did is not counted, then it feels like all the gods of the universe is giving me the finger. I mean, 10 seconds too soon. But if the well respected race marshalls actually see who deserves what, Cyber would have the same amount of laps than the leader. And the one extra lap proves we came through the checkered flag first.

First siLc wasn't showing up, then Zafar had million disconnects, so he said me to drive last hour and a half of race, but then after 11 laps when fuel just started to get lower and tires coming perfect something unbelievable happen. I lost internet connection to anything but TS, and soon after that i lost connection to TS too. My router worked as it should, my windows showing that they are connected to internet, but i couldn't open anything. I just one of those days that nothing goes right. All those practice was for nothing, and we won FE race with no practice. I just the way it is, God loves to play with us sometimes

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So this is what happened. I was on my 31. lap when I pitted in, just about to swap cars with scipy and then my PC decides to freeze. Dunno where the problem is even the mpr freezes my PC at the same place. But anyway, after that scipy started from the pits and did 70 laps. That one extra lap is obviously because he wasn't actually leading when the 3 hours was driven but in front of the "leader".

So if that 31. lap I did is not counted, then it feels like all the gods of the universe is giving me the finger. I mean, 10 seconds too soon. But if the well respected race marshalls actually see who deserves what, Cyber would have the same amount of laps than the leader. And the one extra lap proves we came through the checkered flag first.

You getting a disconnect during pitstop gives you and unfair advantage seeing that you dont have to loose ~45secs during this. Also scipy left the pitbox very dangerously almost taking subon out... IMO when you get a disconnect the race is over. Since this gives you a "free" pitstop. Anyway, it's all up to the marshalls.

If Subon was right behind scipy, there is now way we would have gained 45 seconds, because I pitted before CD. And because of the safety car there really wasn't no advantage. But we'll see...

yeh sorry about the pit exit, but when i saw mogster timed out i just reacted as quickly as possible.. and for all your calculations who won.. when the safety car came out, and u all went into pits, mogi was first, u all behind him.. and that's the way we exited the pits and got behind safety car.. so even tough the first hour didnt count, our car was still in front of everyone else.. and on restart i overtook core xrr and loft fzr.. and that's the way it stayed until the end.. so.. dunno where the problem is..

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

The way the rule reads:



You don't get credit for those first sectors, assuming you disconnected while still in the first sector. If you'd crossed the split line, you'd get credit for that lap.

It's sort of arbitrary, but you need to have rules for those occasions.

Aww.. When Niki disconnected he was ~20 meters from split line.

All of our disconnects were during S1 (conspiracy, I tell ya!) - would have been interesting if they occurred during the second one

However I do hope our 99 laps + disconnects weighs more than 99 laps without any.

CD and Cyber, trust us, we'll look very carefully into the chain of events.

ETA: Escort, you may feel that that's how it should be (disconnects should mean your race is over) but in IGTC as in all other endurance leagues in LFS, it's not how it is. Disconnects are an unfortunate fact of online gaming, but they shouldn't entirely ruin races as they are nearly always beyond the team's control.

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so even tough the first hour didnt count, our car was still in front of everyone else.. and on restart i overtook core xrr and loft fzr.. and that's the way it stayed until the end.. so.. dunno where the problem is..

I must agree with scipy here - there isn't much to do calculations about.. but then there are the objection

Will be very interesting to see the final results, indeed.

I'm quite busy today so i can't actually work it out yet. Just a word of added information so nobody gets confused with the results. Since there is no full available replay from before the server crash the official results will be counted up from the 3 hours on the ConeDodgers server.

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and on restart i overtook core xrr and loft fzr.. and that's the way it stayed until the end.. so.. dunno where the problem is..

EDIT:APOLOGY POSTED ON POST #49

You mean you PUNTED the LOTF car out of the way, don't you?

IV. GENERAL RACING CONDUCT

8) Drivers must overtake in a safe and respectful manner. Drivers should have at least a half-car overlap on another car before committing to an overtaking maneuver. Cars ahead on corner exit are entitled to take the racing line, but only if cleanly ahead of the trailing car.

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You mean you PUNTED the LOTF car out of the way, don't you?

IV. GENERAL RACING CONDUCT

8) Drivers must overtake in a safe and respectful manner. Drivers should have at least a half-car overlap on another car before committing to an overtaking maneuver. Cars ahead on corner exit are entitled to take the racing line, but only if cleanly ahead of the trailing car.

If you feel this strongly about the incident, please feel free to follow the rules and lodge an objection in the objections thread.

Thanks.

Can I just add that SR (rsx) was in 8th when disconnected, but we started 9th when reconnected. This could be the difference between scoring points or not.....

Quote from jasonmatthews :

Can I just add that SR (rsx) was in 8th when disconnected, but we started 9th when reconnected. This could be the difference between scoring points or not.....

Could you provide some more info on this?

Are you saying you were placed incorrectly when we set the grid for the initial restart on the CD server?

I have not personally watch the replay but am going on what our driver said over ventrilo. Although he felt he got punted I'm going to watch the replay before doing any more than mentioning it. As has been said before, the front running cars tend to be very aggressive in passing especially for position. It's getting old FAST.

I'll post back after watching the replay. May have been just a racing thing in our case. Only one point of view as of now.

Yes thats what i'm saying I will have a chat with RSX and ask him to post here... Do you guys not have a replay up to server disconnect?

I've reviewed the replay and the reason scipy got an extra lap was because he was ahead of rcpilot, whom LFS registered as being in first, and so the race did not end until rcpilot crossed the line. However, scipy crossed the line just a few seconds after the 4 hour mark, making his extra lap invalid. If he had not crossed the pit exit line, I would imagine that he would be declared the winner. As it stands now, he gets a 1 lap penalty. With these 2 factors combined, the cyber team's lap count drops to 99.

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

If you feel this strongly about the incident, please feel free to follow the rules and lodge an objection in the objections thread.

Thanks.

After watching the replay.
My Apologies to the Cyber Team and driver, scipy. During the confusion on Ventrilo, It was not you who punted Stu but it was DeadWolfBones. However it was a racing incident with several cars entering a corner on the lap 34 restart. Just racing luck.

AGAIN Sorry to scipy.

At the moment of the crash we were in 7th place.. Someone should have the replay?