Quote from Becky Rose :

Under patch Q you felt the loss of front downforce when you followed another downforce car, now you barely notice it, this is because you are getting so much grip from your tyres and not enough from your aerodynamics.

If you think back, it wasn't really front, but rear downforce you lost, making cornering behind another car (even in quite a distance) a major pita...

PRMLSCRM, that was a VERY bad start on this forum. If you continue this way, your stay here will be very short. Don't misquote or misrepresent other members again.

Quote from bbman :

If you think back, it wasn't really front, but rear downforce you lost, making cornering behind another car (even in quite a distance) a major pita...

IIRC, the loss of downforce happened equally over front and rear. Scawen made a change so that, as you entered the "zone" the loss of downforce was felt at the front, as it should be.

Sorry to be OT, but I love your avatars SamH, they are always awesome.

tyvm [/OT]

Quote from Andrei221 :

the alpha , beta should be free and when there will be a final version then you should pay.. what do you think about this?

It is true that the true bata and alpha should be free, but, LFS is not actually in alpha. LFS is called alpha as more of a symbolism to the fact that it is not finished and the devs want more out of their brainchild if it can be called that. However on another subject, IMO it will be the best sim racing game youll ever buy.

Quote from legoflamb :

It is true that the true bata and alpha should be free,

Where did you get that from? Alpha, Beta and Final are nothing but stages of development! Now, a developer can choose to do a free public alpha or beta test, but that has nothing to do with pricing... Should a car be free because it misses the stereo???

Quote from legoflamb :

It is true that the true bata and alpha should be free

Stop talking bollocks.

How fast you are on the track is not necessarily connected with having scientific knowledge. Kind of like the fact that just because you can type, it certainly doesn't mean that you have anything worthwhile to say - just look at your posts! (you might wish that was a lie, but it's not)

On top of that, some real drivers (not all) talk feces about vehicle dynamics because they don't understand what's really happening in terms of physics.

Jeff, very Tristan-like. I love it.

Also, AJP ain't 4 secs slower on most combos, if you're comparing to WR, then that's BS because people take varied lines to squeeze out every tenth of KMH, and if you're comparing to real driving, then you lose still.

Quote from PRMLSCRM :

Misrepresent? ajp71 is indeed at least 4 secs slower than your average racer on any track/car combo. Listening from his physics input is like asking me how to cook like Ferran Adria. You might wish that was a lie, but it's not.

You wrote out an entirely fictional piece of text and wrapped it as a quote as if ajp71 had said it. If you are genuinely unable to see what is wrong with doing that, you should let me know now so that I can flag your username and follow you around this forum, moderating your posts.

As for ajp's laptimes, I've never raced in demo mode with him. If/when you get an S2 licence, you'll be able to see how he races in S2 too. An individual's on-track performance and/or skills are NOT a marker for personal judgement calls, nor are they a subject for this forum.

Quote from legoflamb :

It is true that the true bata and alpha should be free...

As already stated, you're not buying alpha software, you are buying a license to use the full content of the software. You own that license for as long as the sim is supported. Scawen has already said this so your post is bollocks... which has also been said already

Uh Excuse me if I'm wrong, but isn't the real reason it's called alpha is simply because there were a few issues and fewer bugs that needed working on. So to be conservative (and honest) they titled it alpha just to be on the safe side?
And the alpha beta thingee... I think we DO get alpha, beta, delta point one or whatever for free. I think we pay for the license to use it.

Quote from Racer Y :

I think we DO get alpha, beta, delta point one or whatever for free. I think we pay for the license to use it.

LFS is technically in constant Delta

I don't know why this is even an issue. In the software development world, if it's not completed yet, it's Alpha. If everything is completed but there are still bugs, it's Beta. Obviously there are a number of things in LFS that have yet to be completed. Thus, LFS is currently Alpha software. End of discussion.

You know this community mate - the game keeps going long after the net's been taken down, the umpires have left and the ballboys are home in bed

Hank, nobody cares about soccer. There was no net, no referee's showed up, and the ballboys are just pedo's looking at the little boys.

I was, of course, referring to tennis ...

Tennis sucks.


Hank, stop making me look dumb, I don't need any help!

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What username do you normally post under? You're obviously part of the community, so I would guess S2 licenced. But being a big girls blouse (probably scared of mice and your own reflection) you have to hide behind another identity. Very childish of you. Shame you don't have friends, or I'd ask you to spend time with them (and not here).

Tristy, Apparently this is actually a unique person who is a total knob.

Quote from Sp!tfire :

I dont know if this has been discussed before, and I might be wrong because i'm very tired right now.
But how about, ( I dont know if there will be any more releases after S3, like.. S4.. ) But.. You are able to buy S1, or S2, and if you own both S1 and S2, you will automatically be able to unlock S3?
I mean, sure, it's an amazing game, but if it will be like 12 - 24 - 36 ( In pounds ) It will be more expensive than the most of the games are here in euro's.

You guys must get it pretty cheap then.

Games sell for about £30-£50 here, normally about the £40 mark. LFS S3 would be WELL worth £36, S2 would probably be worth that.

Quote from Sp!tfire :

I dont know if this has been discussed before, and I might be wrong because i'm very tired right now.
But how about, ( I dont know if there will be any more releases after S3, like.. S4.. ) But.. You are able to buy S1, or S2, and if you own both S1 and S2, you will automatically be able to unlock S3?
I mean, sure, it's an amazing game, but if it will be like 12 - 24 - 36 ( In pounds ) It will be more expensive than the most of the games are here in euro's.

I've been playing LFS for 2 years, approaching 31,000 miles, and i'm nowhere near bored of it - i just don't get that with any other game. It's well worth the cash i've spent on it!

I think Jak has hit the nail on the head I suppose it all comes down to supply and demand or maybe just demand as long as people are willing to shell out £24 or £36 to be able to use this alpha-beta-delta software then it will always be worth it to them/us.


most of us realise the potential this game/sim has and can see the work Scawen/the devs put into it and for whatever reason keep playing it over and over

for me its so worth it its untrue even if its just for some real life escapism.

SD.

Quote from Jakg :

I've been playing LFS for 2 years, approaching 31,000 miles, and i'm nowhere near bored of it - i just don't get that with any other game. It's well worth the cash i've spent on it!

Same here