well one of the main differences with this new system that other teams can host their own servers, with added functionality.

Where the licences move accross from server to server.

As for the global bans, its only to keep it clean, if someone is banned for ramming its safe to say that they could ram again. Perm bans will be down to the individual server admin. It wont instantly BAN people from the servers either, just let the server admins know, that someone has been banned for X reason, this is what the CRL suggests that you do.

I am not doing this to "compete" with CTRA or CD. As I said with LTC, its not because I was competing with CLC or TC or any other cruise server, its just the fact that I like to program things . What harm can it cause?

At the end of the day, it will just give people more options to do on LFS. I think, so long as we keep people interested in LFS it makes it a better place. Regardless of what they are doing or what servers they go on.

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I'd like to point out here that the CTRA isn't finished yet. Under pressure not to loose all the racers the CTRA was opened with some of it's features left uncoded, which may have a bearing on the viability of another InSim server licensing system.

why does it make it no longer viable? Is there really anything wrong with a system, that any admin can use the system?

Problem with opening up for public access to licensed servers like this is that anyone and everyone would want their server licensed. Creating hundreds of licensed servers and you would be lucky to find 5 of them occupied.

Then it would be exactly the same as it was a year ago. Millions of servers with different combo's but nobody really on any of them. It's just now they would have points attached to them. Then you would get people complaining that nobody runs any other combo's other than GTRs at AS National for example.

It's a great idea, but giving the ability for anyone and everyone to create their own personal licensed server wouldn't work very well IMO.

The system will have a limitation of how many servers.

Every 24hrs, the system will do a graph of how many people are in and on where and what. And we will make decisions on that.

There's not going to be like 20 servers or something.

Just a select few!

Ahh, I must have misread then =P Sorry, it happens alot =)

There is already a global ban file, that nobody uses, with the wrecker barricade.

I am not seeing a difference than the CD/CTRA servers. What exactly would be different? Other than people can make their own servers, which could be both good and bad.

it will actually host league events too.

all teams will be able to sign up on the website, and create their team.

They will be able to set "fights" against the other teams, and have race offs, held on a CRL server. The server will automatically post the results to the main database server, logging everything and giving the players and the team the correct points that they deserve.

It will also support "drags" if that is what the server admins would like.

The server admins will also have to "apply" to be a server admin - with a few questions given.

The server can instantly be banned from hosting, and the insim will close itself down!

It's worth a shot, couldn't hurt =) Over saturation is what I am thinking about, but you never know until you try =)

There wont be like 50 servers running it though.

Just a select few! I think it'll stop so many people attempting to create insim applications!

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There wont be like 50 servers running it though.

Just a select few! I think it'll stop so many people attempting to create insim applications!

Sorry, I was vague. I meant more along the lines of what CD and CTRA already do. Another one couldn't hurt though =)

I'm actually up for anything that benefits LFS, provided it does actually benefit LFS. I'd also like to go racing on someone else's system for a change of scenery without responsibility, so I'm up for this, basically, although there are a few stumblers that really need working over closely before I think it'd be worth making a start on

My only real concern is over-saturation, too. The number of racers online daily won't, I don't think, be able to sustain many more systems than we have now.

You say that anyone can hook in to the system, but you also say that there would be only a select few servers that could participate, and that on top of that, anyone can be shut down instantly. What do you have in mind as the decision process to determine which? Who makes the decisions on who can admin servers and who should be locked out, and what would you have in mind for an appeals process? Who would handle the appeals, and on whose authority?

I'll never be convinced by a global banning system. Just the other day, some guy totalled the entire field at T1 on the CTRA and then proceeded to sit in the middle of the track on a blind bend, wrecking every car that came around the corner. Inevitably, we got a few reports and our instinct was to ban the little git. One of the admins emailed him, demanding an explanation.

What ACTUALLY happened was that the guy was happily racing on the CTRA servers when a whopping great big hornet flew in through the window. Whoosh! The guy was gone, with the door slammed behind him. He didn't go back in his bedroom for a good long while.

I sympathise with every person whose race got totalled, but just every now and again there's more to the story than meets the eye. You need to be able to deal with situations on an individual basis, with a level head and an even hand. That takes a lot of legwork. Believe me, it takes a lot. And every answer is different from the last, and every server admin has a different reaction to each of them. Global bans cannot work.

I am aware of the over-saturation side of things hense the reason for the limitation of hosts that the system will allow to run at any given time.

The only reason why would be shut down is if they have done something against the rules of CRL. When you apply for hosting allowances you will have to accept it on a few terms. The people that who decides on the switch off of a server allowance will be done by the CRL management team. As of now it is only me that is on the team - I do plan on asking a few people to help with this side of matters. The people on the management team will also have to respond to any appeals that come in, from players and host admins.

Its not an instant global ban system as I said before. It will just alert the CRL management team of a ban, and it will be looked into - depending on the variables that come with the ban (the replay, the reason, and after liasing with the person that was banned in that server), a decision will be made.

It is not just an instant ban if you get banned on one server, as I have stated in a post above somewhere.

Do you have so much free time then?

I know it took the CTRA guys some time and its only basic now. CD is afaik still working on it.

So i do appreciate the efforts but we are going to have 3 similar systems running side by side. You seem to have it all worked out in your head? Or is it already done for a part. What i mean is what timeline are you talking about?

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Do you have so much free time then?

I know it took the CTRA guys some time and its only basic now. CD is afaik still working on it.

So i do appreciate the efforts but we are going to have 3 similar systems running side by side. You seem to have it all worked out in your head? Or is it already done for a part. What i mean is what timeline are you talking about?

judging by the speed krammeh goes i belive this could be done by the next week soon,possiably the weekend

I've not done any of the coding for this yet, im finishing off the race manager that has been requested.

No, I dont have lots of time, its just that I am a very advanced programmer with PHP. I'm a PHP website designer by trade, although I am doing Insurance Broking atm, but that is not the point.

I do have it all planned out in my head, give me... two or three weeks, to release a beta trial, and we'll go from there!

The beta trial, will probably only host basic race commands, auto map rotation, car rotation maybe, unsure as to what I am going to do first!

This has been talked about before, a central Race License system but it fails when one person want one thing and another something else.

We tried to link our system to the SCCC but got no further than a few emails, then all of a sudden Becky pull out so if we had linked we would have been in the crap.

Our current system is tempory with our full system going live shortly.

Full marks for having a go but who would be in control. I think anything that is controlled by several people sounds great but often this is why it fails, too many cooks and all that.

Control by a commitee of one is always best, with the public giving the commitee ideas.

As we all have databases, maybe the way forward is to have a system which sends data from CTRA, CD Etc at certain times to one central system, but not the other way. "Server Members" could then request data from the central system and still maintain our own in a way that suits us.

PM me and we will talk about it.