Quote from PRMLSCRM :

Misrepresent? ajp71 is indeed at least 4 secs slower than your average racer on any track/car combo. Listening from his physics input is like asking me how to cook like Ferran Adria. You might wish that was a lie, but it's not.

Ohh I missed this

So who have I pissed off recently? (I genuinely don't know)

My bet is it's probably a certain Kid

i don't mind paying for alpha software if it's already good. the software is in a state where it's thoroughly satisfying to use, so i bought it. my company sells software that's in the thick of development all the time. but they're shadier about it, and don't let people know this by adding alpha/beta titles. and these users pay a LOOOOOT more than lfs users do.

the only problem i have is the mention of upcoming S3 release. i have to pay an extra 25ish bucks for that, on top of the 50 i've already spent. that seems steep, no matter what phase of development the game is in. and if they add more licenses on top of that, well geez how much can you spend on one game?

if they're gonna keep adding licenses i think they should compress the amount each license costs, and discount the price for current S2 users, so the entire game can be bought for a reasonable price.

Here we go again...

The full price of S3 will be 36 GBP (approx. $72.36 USD). Since we're not there yet, and thanks to the generosity of Scavier, we're able to buy (licenses for) parts of the game over time for 12 GBP apiece. AFAIK, there are no current plans to go beyond S3.

Quote from braincore02 :

the only problem i have is the mention of upcoming S3 release. i have to pay an extra 25ish bucks for that, on top of the 50 i've already spent.

i think youll find that the culprit here is the weak dollar and not the actual price for s3 which is perfectly reasonable in both pounds and euros

i think lfs is playable... boring after a while but due to Over playin ofcourse but i can understand what peole say when they say " you pay to play a demo version of a game " but lfs is good.. just wait a while and before you know it its evolved into the best racing sim on the net with great graphics physics and spinners for your uf1 ( that would be funny and ricer at the same time... which is a good thing , no ?? )


ofcourse theres other games out there that are worth they money you pay for them ( e.g kiado racer 2 ) but the lfs community is also what you get when you pay that 24 £ for a quiet addictive and under rated game...

Quote from Shotglass :

i think youll find that the culprit here is the weak dollar and not the actual price for s3 which is perfectly reasonable in both pounds and euros

Heck, 75$ is reasonable even in Canadian, seeing I just spent 70$ on Bioshock. LFS is not over priced, it's perfectly priced IMO.

LFS is great peice of software, and i had no problem speing money to buy S2. i think i'll feel the same for S3, and i wish i could say the same for beyond, but i doubt it will happen.

the point is, "live for speed" will never happen again, and right now i'm just appreciating that i get to participate in this development.

Quote from Forbin :

Here we go again...

The full price of S3 will be 36 GBP (approx. $72.36 USD). Since we're not there yet, and thanks to the generosity of Scavier, we're able to buy (licenses for) parts of the game over time for 12 GBP apiece. AFAIK, there are no current plans to go beyond S3.

Scawen recently said the price for S3 is NOT final, the only thing that is is S2 users will only pay the difference from the 24 GBP they've already spent...

Ah yes, I remember that now, my mistake. Even so, it won't be much more than it is right now.

the stage-concept works fine for me, no problem for me to pay another 20€ or so for stage 3. because this is more an enthusiast-game, it will never be popular as need for speed or all that arcade games. the small developer team must be payed while they work on it. this is the way how its possible to get all the features that makes lfs LFS.

i work on a games-company too and can see all the crap thats usually going on with publisher-stress, they cancel features because they think its not suitable for the main-market, they dont care about innovations because its too much risk and so on. the only goal is to make as much profit as possible. in that case alpha versions are often not well payable, thats right.

so feel lucky that there are people like the lfs'-ones, making a game that they want (and we want) and don't have to listen to people who only want to bring it to the market.

support it, its worth the money

Quote from Shotglass :

i think youll find that the culprit here is the weak dollar and not the actual price for s3 which is perfectly reasonable in both pounds and euros

damn you George W Stupidhead!

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

Heck, 75$ is reasonable even in Canadian, seeing I just spent 70$ on Bioshock. LFS is not over priced, it's perfectly priced IMO.

yeah i don't think $75 US is reasonable for a videogame. maybe in canadian, i dunno, but i get miffed everytime i have to spend 65 on a 360 game. i remember back in the genesis days games got up to $80 bucks in some cases. it was ridiculous. GENESIS games! some of them didn't even come with accessories! then the average dropped to $50 for a looooong time, which i was quite happy about. that to me is the sweet spot for videogame pricing.

after the time i've spent with live for speed tho, this has to be the most realistic feeling and enjoyable sim i've ever played, when played with the G25. i'm thinking i wouldn't feel bad paying for S3 at this point. if they allow modding at that stage (at least offline please!) then the replay value will be endless.

Damn you Americans and your cheap games 360 titles are typically £45-50 RRP (US$90-100) in the UK although PC games are usually a bit cheaper in the £30-45 RRP range.

When totalling up prices for LFS licenses, you should probably think about the time-scale involved between versions. So far there have been 2 releases of LFS over several years for £12 each. Compare that to, say, the Need For Speed series where it costs £30-50 (depending on PC/Console etc) per year for a game that focuses on prettiness rather than core changes.

All in all LFS is a bloody bargain, alpha or not.

Why do we still compare the cost in the US compared to the UK. We determined a few weeks back, that with the average salary in the US in dollars is equal to the same number as the average salary in the UK in GBP. Since the $ is ~2x the GBP, it all adds up to being relatively the same. When you state how cheap our games are when we say $45 and you state that they are expensive for you at £45, yet average salaries are $36,000 and £36,000 respectively, where is the difference that is making games cheaper around here?

As for games, I walk through the store and see the most expensive game at the moment is FSX at $50. Most games are $40 until they are eventually reduced to $20. Everyone always talks about 360 or PS3 games when talking about the price. I'd like to know when LFS was released on the 360 or PS3? If LFS was all completely finished in it's S3 form, $72 would be quite expensive for a computer game. FSX is the only PC game I've ever seen at that price and it was reduced down to $50 quite quickly.

In the UK the Average Income is £21,000, £19,000 in Scotland iirc. The cost of stuff is also a little cheaper in the US. In the UK PC games sell for anywhere between £30 and £40 when new.

Heres stuff from one of the main PC Retailers (who make money out of peoples lack of knownledge, thus their affectionante nickname of "PC Wank")

FSX - £60 - http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martp ... =240718&category_oid=
WOW Update - £50 - http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martp ... 6&category_oid=-30357
TDU - £30 - http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martp ... 6&category_oid=-30357

I would love to earn the average salary. Unfortunately when you remove the top 1% of the population from the calculation the average is much lower indeed .

Quote from Becky Rose :

I would love to earn the average salary. Unfortunately when you remove the top 1% of the population from the calculation the average is much lower indeed .

The median salary is more accurate!
It's arround £23000 in UK
$34,926 (men) and $23,546 (women) in the US. The general population one must be somewhere in the middle.