So then,

With people starting to come back from holidays and nights getting darker sooner, perhaps it is time to start thinking about a second exciting season of the UF Owners club.

I'd like to start an open discussion based on this next seasons format.

I'll start the ball rolling with car of choice.

It will either be a UF1000 or a detuned UFR. We've done some testing and the detuned UFR is a fun car to drive and might be worth a shout. The detuning would take it down in HP to something slightly above the current UF1000.

Think of it as you would as a UF1300 - race spec and you start to get the idea.


Also idea's the throw around.

1 division, 2 races per week or fortnight.

Still deciding upon whether a sprint and a feature race is the way to go or just 2 races of standard length.

Maybe even go for 3 x 20 minute races per evening.

No team competition, its every driver for himself


Lots to discuss. please feel free to comment.


Regards,


Dru.

sounds like a hoot, time them right and i might be able to race too!

well I list my personal pros and cons for your proposual:

pros:

• Three races an evening would improve the character of the race series as sprint series -> no boring races
  
• The possibility to choose the UF1300 as an alternative to the UF1000 (would suggest a poll if everything is more concrete) -> makes a difference to the other UF championchips
  
• would make me finding time to play LFS

cons:

• more then one evening event the week would be too much because I have app. school 'til 14.00 zulu/GMT then once a week I study at univerity ('til 17.00 zulu) and I have to do homeworks as well (about 2-3 hours a day).
  

my suggestions:

• like last season one endurance race of one hour... they are fun to drive because you need statima... and it brings in some changes
  
• team ranking (team with 2 and more drivers = x): points of all races by all drivers of the team divided by x = points for the team ranking (only at the after everything is over, no updates of you during the series is underway)
  or (!) first race driver one second race driver two, third race compulsory pitstop with driver change (one to two) (just writing my thoughts)
  
• one flying start if there are three races
  
• changing the first third of the field after race one and after race two (like in WTCC(/BTCC))
  

PS: If I won't be convinced in racing because of something I would like to help if there is something I could do.

Your Broadcast tool would be awesome if we got this broadcasted.

would need to change the FZ outline to a UF outline though

Quote from KeiichiRX7 :

Your Broadcast tool would be awesome if we got this broadcasted.

would need to change the FZ outline to a UF outline though

If you mean my inlays... sry but I'm not able to program a "broadcast tool" ,I am not Becky Rose. that are just some inlays, which can be opened and edidted... It was a request by the Sun Force Cup broadcaster. I could do something for the UFOC Cup Season 2 aswell (I just would need the logo and a short "how-it-should-look-like"), but I am neither a good movie maker nor programmer.

Looks very interesting. I'd like to take part in it. Maybe i can come last?

What about 2 divisions, one with the UF1300, the other with the UF1000? Different divisions race on different days maybe?

Maybe a sprint + feature race, and reversed grid for Feature?

Quote from Gil07 :

What about 2 divisions, one with the UF1300, the other with the UF1000? Different divisions race on different days maybe?

Maybe a sprint + feature race, and reversed grid for Feature?

last season we've had some problems with a two division system, at one point of the season one DIV 1 race was cancelled because of a lack of drivers.
The reversed grid caused troubles as well, because really slow drivers started in the first row. In Fern Bay Green, I can remeber, there was chaos after the pole sitter (Race 1's last) "drifted" through turn one. A "not completly" reserved grid could avoid this. (e.g. in my post)

Quote from TFalke55 :

last season we've had some problems with a two division system, at one point of the season one DIV 1 race was cancelled because of a lack of drivers.
The reversed grid caused troubles as well, because really slow drivers started in the first row. In Fern Bay Green, I can remeber, there was chaos after the pole sitter (Race 1's last) "drifted" through turn one. A "not completly" reserved grid could avoid this. (e.g. in my post)

Yes, reversing only the top 8, or 6, or whatever could work. It does in GP2 at least

Sounds interesting, I could be tempted.....

I would say a UF1300 would be good as it offers something different to the norm, and a 2 header event every two weeks would suit me down to the ground.

Non-reversable grids are the way to go IMO, they worked very well in the Irish National cup.

I think the UF1300 would be great fun.

1 Round each week, as before worked well too.

My only concern is the reversed grids, throw them out of the window IMO. I also think some races could be a little shorter, have the sprint race 5-8 laps, then the feature race 12-15 laps or something. Shorter races are generally more fun I think.

The idea of 2 divisions isnt that bad, but only under some conditions

A) they are separate classes all together IE a UF1300 championship, and a UF1000 championship. for time sake they should be run at the same time.

B) they receive equal points, and are divided up to have fields of equal over all skill. The leaders of these divisions face off at the end of the season

1 Div
UF 1000 only
1 Race evening per week.
2 Races per race evening with the same length.
1 point for pole position.

I like the idea of using a detuned UFR, should be interesting.

From the original outline, if the possibility of doing 2 races per week is on the table, could it not be done as one on say Tuesday which is the basic UF1 and have that as its own series, and on a Thursday have the UF1.3 so that both sides are happy, and anyone wanting to do both can do so without anyone being forced into doing 2 meetings a week, they just do their prefered race. I guess if they only have 2-3 specific days a week they're free it could still be a problem, but thats a problem every series faces.
I dont see why 'skill' should come into it though, or how/why they'd face off at the end of the season, they're different cars so putting them all into 1 wouldnt be fair on the other class (UFR almost certainly) running the other class for a season finale.


I dont like the full grid reversals, with 10-16 people it wasnt easy, with 30+ it'd be a nightmare, but i think top 8 would be managable, though i'll always favour drivers starting a race where they finished, i know the arguement but it'll never seem fair in my eyes to move people down because they've done well. Ballast is a different thing, that aims to balance things out, reversing grids aims to provide 'entertainment' rather than closer racing.

Teeeeeams!!!!
I liked that, its secondary to the main driver title, get it back in

People having to attend 2 races a week might be a problem, its always a compromise agreeing one day of the week to run on, having 2 that you have to commit to is going to be a struggle. 2 a Fortnight is okay, as long as that really means one a week


Can we start tonight?

Quote from PaulC2K :

I like the idea of using a detuned UFR, should be interesting.

From the original outline, if the possibility of doing 2 races per week is on the table, could it not be done as one on say Tuesday which is the basic UF1 and have that as its own series, and on a Thursday have the UF1.3 so that both sides are happy, and anyone wanting to do both can do so without anyone being forced into doing 2 meetings a week, they just do their prefered race

The problem would be more the things Dru & Co would have to do... It is real hard stressy work to do, to maintain the league on running. I don't think we should shock the best admins in the world (:nod by doing "two leagues".
Another thing is that racing with these "low powered" cars would be great in a big field. If there are two leagues one would like to enter he might have to decide wich of them, because I think there are people out there who have a real life aswell and we could get issiues with the mass of drivers.

Quote from LFSn00b :

And no UFRs, it's UF1000 owners club afterall!

but the UF GTR is based on the UF 1000

Quote from PaulC2K :

Can we start tonight?

Would be in for a race tonight



btw: imagine! FernBay Club a race with 32 drivers

Thanks for all the input guys - keep them coming.


I think it is fair to say that there is interest in the UF1300 and it maybe a good thing to try out - maybe even an adhoc test at some point to see what it is really like.

Also with a detuned UFR, maybe we can use the slightly longer tracks - who knows...

Regarding ideas.




I think its fair to say that there will only be one race evening perweek, but multiple races that night. maybe 2 or 3, and short ones too.

The ideas going around in my head is a race meeting that consists of 15 min qualifying.

Then 3 races of 15 minutes each, so its a little bit like a sprint championship.

No reverse grids, start race 2 as you finish race 1 and then the same for race 3.

You score points in all races and then there is a winner of the round etc etc. maybe they get a few bonus on top - not sure at this stage..


Points will be identical for all races, so it really does reward consistancy etc etc.


I do feel that by having teams in it will keep the interest up.

Might even look at success ballest for the next weeks racing (not round)

something little maybe maybe 15KG round winner, 10kg 2nd and 5KG for 3rd... again not sure at this stage..

Regards,


Dru.

uf1300 will definitely be interesting as long as the majority of the participants share their sets easily. Dropping the reverse grid is also nice, and we can easily make them point-based for races 2 and 3. Success ballast is also a good idea as long as the increments stay small and are monitored and enforced.

Anyhow, I hope can settle on the perfect format soon so i can start coding certain stuff.

The UF1000 Owners club saved up their pocket money and managed to buy a better engine

IGTC will save their pocket money and give everyone a BF1 , i think it should stick with UF1's it gives more people a chance then and the racing would be closer imo. Although the racing sus + Tires makes the UF1.3 more realistic.

Quote from PaulC2K :

I like the idea of using a detuned UFR, should be interesting.

From the original outline, if the possibility of doing 2 races per week is on the table, could it not be done as one on say Tuesday which is the basic UF1 and have that as its own series, and on a Thursday have the UF1.3 so that both sides are happy, and anyone wanting to do both can do so without anyone being forced into doing 2 meetings a week, they just do their prefered race. I guess if they only have 2-3 specific days a week they're free it could still be a problem, but thats a problem every series faces.
I dont see why 'skill' should come into it though, or how/why they'd face off at the end of the season, they're different cars so putting them all into 1 wouldnt be fair on the other class (UFR almost certainly) running the other class for a season finale.


I dont like the full grid reversals, with 10-16 people it wasnt easy, with 30+ it'd be a nightmare, but i think top 8 would be managable, though i'll always favour drivers starting a race where they finished, i know the arguement but it'll never seem fair in my eyes to move people down because they've done well. Ballast is a different thing, that aims to balance things out, reversing grids aims to provide 'entertainment' rather than closer racing.

Teeeeeams!!!!
I liked that, its secondary to the main driver title, get it back in

People having to attend 2 races a week might be a problem, its always a compromise agreeing one day of the week to run on, having 2 that you have to commit to is going to be a struggle. 2 a Fortnight is okay, as long as that really means one a week


Can we start tonight?

Pay attention, I said divisions, not classes.

just a short one:

70-80hp is just fine with me
once a week or once every two will suit quite well (fortnights favoured)
I'd say 1x10mins quali and 1x20mins race per track would be a medium way. Don't want to train for two different tracks a week, so my favourite would be just 1 longer race. This wouldn't be that attractive anymore for others though.
no special points given, the fast ones WILL stay fast, see the awesome performance of the ladies of mercury last season!!
extra weight might be cool, we should try that maybe this evening. I'd say okay 15-10-5 (or even less), with a max of 30kgs per car, weight given by round.
teams are also nicer imo, but this time there are no changes allowed! Ah well, we'll run in 1 div, so who cares if there's a swap!?
Remember the shitload of work we've had with last season's training, points, calculations and several errors (thanks paulie and falke for having kept an eye on it!!), this time I won't be around that often so maybe we could keep it a little simpler ;-)

greetz

der butz

The biggest problem last year with the points was that we did it in excel (which sucks imo). If we have some preparation time, I'll try to code something that gets the race results at the end of the race, puts it into a sql db, and then exports it back out to lfs so every participating driver can see their points immediately (and without human error hopefully )

ZWR does LOVE it's resident code wrangler!

success ballast is a great idea, definately keep that idea for the future.

I have to say that whilst i enjoy racing the UFR, the UF1 offers a much more rewarding drive. The UFR has so much grip, it feels just like point and quirt alot of the time, the UF1 seems to require more finesse and smoothness to go fast (which is why i am slow ).

I think that there will be 2 races per round, but they will be the same track.. maybe not even one reversed.

The championship could be over say 10 weeks rather than 5 etc etc.

Good idea about testing the UFR out, maybe something we can get people together for to have a play..

Quote from mikey_G :

The biggest problem last year with the points was that we did it in excel (which sucks imo). If we have some preparation time, I'll try to code something that gets the race results at the end of the race, puts it into a sql db, and then exports it back out to lfs so every participating driver can see their points immediately (and without human error hopefully )

There is a programm called LFSPoints which works brilliant... as far as I tested it out...
so callculate the points should not be the problem...
as last season I could release some unofficial championchip standings after the race 'til the replays are reviewed (because of protests) and the official standings are released