Wait exactly what are we arguing here? Stock cars or Indy Cars?
If you don't know when you are the one who brought it onto the table, how the hell should we?
IDK ppl keep getting off topic on how both Indy and NASCAR drivers dont want to race in the rain and they are all pussies
I was talking about stock cars. But many people keep saying that INDY cars still can race in the rain despite their total lack of safety precautions. I believe NASCAR's COT has enough safety measures to race in the rain. But INDY is a whole different story
For some strange reason ppl always compare indy to stock cars.
HOWEVER, there's one reason why stock cars AND INDY cant race in rain and it's not safety. It's the giant mist that'll cloud the entire track
I was talking about stock cars. But many people keep saying that INDY cars still can race in the rain despite their total lack of safety precautions. I believe NASCAR's COT has enough safety measures to race in the rain. But INDY is a whole different story
For some strange reason ppl always compare indy to stock cars.
HOWEVER, there's one reason why stock cars AND INDY cant race in rain and it's not safety. It's the giant mist that'll cloud the entire track
Yup, ovals are all about jossling with other cars, the skill lies in your ovalcraft, it's a totally different set of skills to circuit racing, an even greater difference than that between road and purpose built circuit tracks.
Oval racing does require skill, just not the same skills. I've watched a few net broadcasts of oval races and some had a lot of yellows early on as those drivers who could not hack it fell by the wayside.
I still think it's dull to watch mind, kinda like Golf. You get to half way and have to ask yourself if your will to live is still there.
Oval racing does require skill, just not the same skills. I've watched a few net broadcasts of oval races and some had a lot of yellows early on as those drivers who could not hack it fell by the wayside.
I still think it's dull to watch mind, kinda like Golf. You get to half way and have to ask yourself if your will to live is still there.
I love it when people go on about the physics being different for different cars... The laws of physics are universal ffs 
And on-topic, I have no idea why they can't drive in the rain. Safety? just go slower
All other racing runs in the rain, why not oval?
And on-topic, I have no idea why they can't drive in the rain. Safety? just go slower
All other racing runs in the rain, why not oval?Not even close, but at this point i don't care. Becky got it right at the begining of her post.
Lol at this
Except for a windsheild wiper and brake lights....
Uugggggggggggggggggg this thread blows.
Which one doesn't then? I'd like to know, clearly I'm misinformed.
Uh people driving home from work dont all stop and wait for the rain. They gots more skills and guts.*
*This is a second chance at being able to ignore my stupid remarks, use it wisely.
:littleang
*This is a second chance at being able to ignore my stupid remarks, use it wisely.
:littleang
Don't race in rain:
NASCAR
CASCAR
IRL
CART
IHRA
NHRA
UIM
to name a few.
And apparently the "everyone could just go slower" argument didn't get to the guys who run the 24hr N-ring race, as it was red flagged for hours over a bit of mountain fog...
NASCAR
CASCAR
IRL
CART
IHRA
NHRA
UIM
to name a few.
And apparently the "everyone could just go slower" argument didn't get to the guys who run the 24hr N-ring race, as it was red flagged for hours over a bit of mountain fog...
Ignoring... Ignoring... Yay I did it!
OMFG DO YOU GUYS EVER READ OTHER'S POST.
Sure the safety issue has been beaten over and over again. But there's NO solution to that giant mist that'll shoot up once a giant pack is racing on an oval.
1 MAJOR PROBLEM: MIST MIST MIST MIST
I find it a little strange that drag racing wont race in the rain :/
I don't know half of the series you posted, but aren't they all ovals?
Edit: It seems some of them are drag racing. What's the point of drag racing in the rain? The wheels would only slip and slip... Drag is about acceleration, and you simply can't accelerate in the rain. And drag racing isn't circuit racing, it's just straight line acceleration
Edit2: UIM is boat racing? WTF?
And yes Lizard, I've read the thread... But the mist is surely a problem only because of safety?
Ok, how can anyone race in the giant mist that'll be stimulated by the ovals? It's not so much as a question of safety as it is with how ANYONE will be able even complete a lap without running into each other.
Lets say someone infront of you checks up or there's a lap car. With all that mist you and ur spotter wont know who's infront/behind/beside you and you cant react to situations. U'll just plow through the entire field and cause a big wreck. Therefore in that situation, a race will likely have only 5 out of 43 cars finishing. How is that good racing? It'll just turn into a destruction derby.
Remember in a oval 3 wide is common place, and 4 wide is also feasible. (Look at the Keselowski crash)
And there it is folks! The reason oval racing is not done in the rain. In oval racing there is practically a constant lateral load on the car. You can argue all day long about "go slower", but "going slower" on an oval is quite a bit different than "going slower" on a road course. The difference between oval and road courses is where the racing happens. In road courses, the racing happens on the corner exits and on the straights. You try to get the best corner exit so that you can make the pass on the straight. In oval, the racing is around the corners. You try to get the best entrance to the corner so you can get underneath your opponent and pass in the corner. The small straights are just the connections between the corners.
Yes, the racers can go slower. But racing is about going faster than your opponent, thus you will always be attempting to take the corners harder and faster. When an oval car looses it in the corner, it flies straight into a concrete wall at very high speeds. Like I said quite some time ago, there are no run-offs, sand traps, or tire barriers to stop oval cars. Nothing but a high g-force impact straight into a very hard immovable object. Add rain to the mix, along with the racing starting at corner entrance rather than corner exit, then you have disaster when drivers are trying to out gun each other.
There is the difference, the difference of where the racing happens between oval and road racing.
Keselowski's crash this weekend clearly proves rodger's point. THX YOU VERY MUCH.
There you have it. That's the main reason why ovals cant race in rain.
You can be stubborn and argue. BUT THAT IS THE FACTS. If ur not willing to face it then that's ur problem, now please this thread has been answered over and over again. Let this die.
Make up all the assumptions and blame you want. But in the end what rodger said is true and no amount of argument will change that
So the reason is safety after all, even though you said it wasn't? 
Anyway, I understand all of that, but don't say it isn't because of safety when it clearly is
Anyway, I understand all of that, but don't say it isn't because of safety when it clearly is
Well if you read early on it was one of the first reasons for not running in the rain, least I remember saying it. =)
Which I say is tosh. The cars can be made safer, the drivers wear HANS, belts etc. The walls are becoming SAFER (pun intended). Drivers don't HAVE to drive at 220mph. In F1 the speeds reduce in the wet, yet the racing continues.
If the primary aim of oval racing is to please rednecks then I suppose that's a fair reason, as long as the spectators do not then try to claim that skill, bravery or technology are world-leading. It's a dumbed down sport for dumbed down fans. The same sort of thing as World Wrestling, but with engines. I have even less respect if it's that critical for spectators to be able to see...
If the primary aim of oval racing is to please rednecks then I suppose that's a fair reason, as long as the spectators do not then try to claim that skill, bravery or technology are world-leading. It's a dumbed down sport for dumbed down fans. The same sort of thing as World Wrestling, but with engines. I have even less respect if it's that critical for spectators to be able to see...
Well the way it's carried out with it's "chase for the cup" I can't disagree about having a bit of showmanship. I have hated that from the second they started it.
I guess if you can't see it after 4 pages, then you won't and there is no need to discuss this further
The engines are still carburetored. I have never heard of NASCAR being phrased as world leading in terms of technology. As for HANS most drivers wear them now after Earnhart died a few years ago hitting the wall at about 190 or so I thought it was manditory now, but I am not sure, I don't really watch it anymore.
You come across as so ignorant.
When the 24 hour Nurburgring race was red flagged for several hours because of fog, were you on your high horse then?
Sure, the drivers could have inched around without seeing anything at 5 mph, but it:
1) would not be racing.
2) would be unnecessarily dangerous.
I don't keep track of the 24hr Nurburgring races.
But regardless, this isn't about specific events, but about racing in the rain in general.
In the same way as the CoC deemed it inappropriate to race in those particular foggy conditions, you wouldn't race in the dark with no lights. However, if the Nurburgring race was wet it would have gone ahead.
So please don't try and use a specific, one-off event in a circuit racing environment to cloud the issue of wet oval racing. It makes you look ignorant.
But regardless, this isn't about specific events, but about racing in the rain in general.
In the same way as the CoC deemed it inappropriate to race in those particular foggy conditions, you wouldn't race in the dark with no lights. However, if the Nurburgring race was wet it would have gone ahead.
So please don't try and use a specific, one-off event in a circuit racing environment to cloud the issue of wet oval racing. It makes you look ignorant.
Where's the difference? You're argument is as blatantly bad in one instance as it is in the other.
What do you mean "where's the difference"? One is a generalised case of oval cars running in wet conditions with the obvious condition that each race is considered by the CoC and running doesn't occur if conditions are bad enough; the other is a specific case WHERE the CoC decided not to run the session.
Don't you see? One is "why do they never?", the other is "they didn't on that day because".
Don't you see? One is "why do they never?", the other is "they didn't on that day because".
If NASCAR had, on average, the same amount of passing as an F1 race, I'd say go for it. There would be little to loose. F1 this is not, and the quality of the racing, for the drivers and fans wouldn't be there on a wet oval.
There is no definative way to say, this is a safe amount of rain to race in and this is not, so NASCAR avoids the issue. The ACLO and FIA feel free to flip to flip flop, as seen by this years Le Mans and Nurburgring F1 race.
Pit Crews. The nature of NASCAR is that pit stops take place in large packs. Also, Pit Crews stay on the pit wall until their car is in its stall, when they then leap onto the road. Sure, you could slow the pit lane speed limit, but 30-plus 3400lb cars (240pit crewmen) + standing water + skinny wet tires + narrow pit lanes = unnecessarily dangerous.
There is no definative way to say, this is a safe amount of rain to race in and this is not, so NASCAR avoids the issue. The ACLO and FIA feel free to flip to flip flop, as seen by this years Le Mans and Nurburgring F1 race.
Pit Crews. The nature of NASCAR is that pit stops take place in large packs. Also, Pit Crews stay on the pit wall until their car is in its stall, when they then leap onto the road. Sure, you could slow the pit lane speed limit, but 30-plus 3400lb cars (240pit crewmen) + standing water + skinny wet tires + narrow pit lanes = unnecessarily dangerous.
I've had this debate countless times with people while I've been in America, and they always seem to forget that the "problems" they'd encounter exist everywhere in the world, and they can all be solved.
Less grip -> slow down
Less visibility -> slow down
More chance of an accident -> slow down
Cars don't have to be moving at 200mph to be interesting. Wet races are generally far more entertaining and exciting to watch than in the dry, it shows who has natural talent for driving and who spent the most time learning to be a robot on a dry track. People can win by huge margins in the wet, just because they have real car control.
Watch some onboard videos of seriously rainy GT races, and you'll see how many cars you can fit close together in the wet.
edit: Mist isn't only a problem in oval racing, a car on a normal circuit will kick up a huge spray behind it, effectively blinding whoever is following them. I've even attached some pictures. It appears that the car behind the Chevron doesn't have lights or wipers.
Less grip -> slow down
Less visibility -> slow down
More chance of an accident -> slow down
Cars don't have to be moving at 200mph to be interesting. Wet races are generally far more entertaining and exciting to watch than in the dry, it shows who has natural talent for driving and who spent the most time learning to be a robot on a dry track. People can win by huge margins in the wet, just because they have real car control.
Watch some onboard videos of seriously rainy GT races, and you'll see how many cars you can fit close together in the wet.
edit: Mist isn't only a problem in oval racing, a car on a normal circuit will kick up a huge spray behind it, effectively blinding whoever is following them. I've even attached some pictures. It appears that the car behind the Chevron doesn't have lights or wipers.
stock car and rain?
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