NORTHCOM Plans 5 Day Martial Law Exercise
Vigilant Shield fact sheet

I just want to make people aware of this.

From October 15th-20th Vigilant Shield "will include the simulated detonation of three radiological dispersal devices within the USNORTHCOM and U.S. Pacific Command areas of responsibility. These exercise events and others are designed to test the full range of incident management response procedures at the local, state and federal levels." - Quoted from the fact sheet.

The reason I'm posting this is because on previous terrorist attacks there were "exercises" and war games going on at the exact same time. Now maybe this time this is just an exercise but if something happens it cannot be classed as a coincidence like the others have been.

Here are some examples of previous "exercises" - 7/7 9/11

Yeah, but what about all the exercises on days when nothing bad happened?

Having said that, I ain't going to London on those days!

Ah I understand that yeah, but it just seemed abit strange that on 9/11 and 7/7 there were exercises going on that were exactly what happened on those days.

Maybe nothing will happen but the US need an excuse to go into Iran soon so that's why I posted this incase something does happen.

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Ah I understand that yeah, but it just seemed abit strange that on 9/11 and 7/7 there were exercises going on that were exactly what happened on those days.

The 9/11 ones appear to be annual executive exercises which means there's no military involved - just a bunch of people in a control center, most likely sitting behind computer monitors. Which is what this Vigilant Shield one is going to be as well.

Read up on all the simulated exercises that are scheduled all through the year and you'll end up seeing more patterns and not leaving your house but for a total of 11 days a year...

Quote from xaotik :

The 9/11 ones appear to be annual executive exercises which means there's no military involved - just a bunch of people in a control center, most likely sitting behind computer monitors. Which is what this Vigilant Shield one is going to be as well.

They are all military exercises, conducted in NORAD and similar military stations. Not all are Command Post Exercises, some were live-fly which means actual planes in the sky chasing radar blips created by the military, but there's actually nothing physical there to see/chase.

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Read up on all the simulated exercises that are scheduled all through the year and you'll end up seeing more patterns and not leaving your house but for a total of 11 days a year...

I'm sure there are alot of exercises going on throughout the years but because the US need and excuse to invade Iran I think this could play a part in it.

The least I can do is say, "thanks".


Thanks to you are trying to stay informed.
Thanks to you are trying to help others get informed.
Thanks that dispite others questioning what is right infront of their face you still keep your cool and explain a bit more.




(Common guys, 7/7, an exercise with almost exactly the same situation, and you call it coincidence? While the same happend with 9/11?)
What fears me the most is that the whole world just tolorates it.. and that most people on this earth spend so much time getting brainwashed they don't even want to look around to see if there might be any truth in all this. Why would a "democratic" goverment do such a thing? Ask yourself, search, inform...

-In-formation-
Have you been in-formed, or did you in-form yourself???


Please drive-tru nothing to see here, just go and consume, watch some more tv. Your born to work not think!

Sorry I dont understand, which country is democratic?

I still think all conspiracy theorists are a bit wierd, but i'm not fooled into thinking I have the freedom that is advertised. "Democracy" as practiced in the West is control by a different means, but still control.

I love conspiracy theories

In 11th March 2004 there wasn't any exercise going on.

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that most people on this earth spend so much time getting brainwashed they don't even want to look around to see if there might be any truth in all this

And what about those that do look into this sort of things and find out they're a bunch of crap most of the time that just lead in circles?

Have you read Foucault's Pendulum by any chance? IMO, albeit it being a novel that revolves around the world of the "occult" it's a must-read to get the drift of how nuts get caught up with seeing patterns all around them and ending up believing them themselves (and convincing others in the meantime).

If you're going to go out and search for the truth through such paths, you never stop - period. There's no end to it other than concluding to some vague generalization like "the State is not my friend". You can spare yourself the time and effort, since life is too short, and begin with that assumption to start with.

Thanks for the tip *Foucault's Pendulum* I'll have a look in to it

Although I agree with you that it's not worth your life keeping track of what bilderbergers(etc.) are doing.. although I did make the choice to create a life for myself (and help those around me that live to work and ain't happy but feel a need to change) where work and material thing are worth alot less and things as love, compasion, just helping somebody out without expecting something in return, trying to be balanced in mind and body etc. etc. is worth alot more...

It's everybodys free choice to do with their lives as they wish, and for me it feels alot better to spend time with my family, just enjoy the sun while laying on some patch of grass, share thoughts and feelings with those interested and as a cost have a little less money, then to be working 2/3th's of my life just so I can buy crap that makes the feeling of emptyness go away for a short period. Until the buzz is over and I want/need something else to make me happy.

I on the other hand understand that not everybody feels this way and that is their fair choice, as long as it's a choice though!... (catch my drift?)
When people are not think/exploring for themself how can they know what they are doing is what they want? (We are thaught alot, but to me it feels like they left out quite a bit, things that are quite important to me.. now that is, I wasn't always some openminded post hippy kinda guy )

I would like to go in to more detail as I spend quite some time of my life reading up on all kinds of views on life, but I still didn't find a definitive answer. (I missed alot of this in my yought, or did they theach you at school how to be happy?) All though I think alot would be offtopic as I concentrated more on boeddhisme, spirituality, sumerian history etc. etc. and not so much on Free Masons, war, brainwashing etc.


/me hopes that I didn't offend anybody, if so it was not my intent.
Hope you all have a beautifull day, and atleast give a friendly "hi" to one person you don't know today

Conspiracy! one of those dates is 20/10...we all know terrorist attacks come on dates that sound good in headlines.

9*6=42. That's all you need to know .

Quote from xaotik :

There's no end to it other than concluding to some vague generalization like "the State is not my friend". You can spare yourself the time and effort, since life is too short, and begin with that assumption to start with.

No, thanks. Your assumption is, in my views, a conclusion. It's the same for you, I guess.

Becky, I giggled reading your words about freedom and democracy. Here's why:

Quote :

The words democracy, socialism, freedom, patriotic, realistic, justice have each of them several different meanings which cannot be reconciled with one another. In the case of a word like democracy, not only is there no agreed definition, but the attempt to make one is resisted from all sides. It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it: consequently the defenders of every kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using that word if it were tied down to any one meaning. Words of this kind are often used in a consciously dishonest way.

George Orwell, Politics and the English Language, 1946

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No, thanks. Your assumption is, in my views, a conclusion. It's the same for you, I guess.

Actually, that was an example based on what I think the "essence" of all the aforementioned theories are about. Either pro- or con- they seem to revolve around that "the State, my country, is the best and loves me" and "the State, my country is not my friend".

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Becky, I giggled reading your words about freedom and democracy. Here's why:

The word originates from Greece where it was chosen as a form of government on the basis that it was the lesser of all evils. Although back then it was "1 man 1 vote", in order to be a 'man' you had to be a land holder, otherwise you where a sub life form and not educated enough to make an informed decision. Obviously women were excluded from voting too, irrespective of their wealth.

Here is what Democracy actually means:

demo = the mob (the people)
cracy = control of

Quote from Becky Rose :

Here is what Democracy actually means:

demo = the mob (the people)
cracy = control of

That sounds like "have control of the mod" while the actual etymology is:

Δημοκρατία = δήμος + κρατείν "the common people have control"

The common joke has it that the ancient Athenian 1:1 version only works if you have slaves to do the work for you as it implies a high involvement in the κοινά (the common affairs of the state) while western democracy as it stands currently only works on slaves. But that's a rather scatological generalisation imo.

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Either pro- or con- they seem to revolve around that "the State, my country, is the best and loves me" and "the State, my country is not my friend".

True. For example I believe that all States (or most of the States) are just a bad refinement of Hobbes' Leviathan and I see them as a form of necessary evil that must be controlled thoroughly.

But that's a conclusion, you always have to analyse the facts to your best ability to understand if a single action is abusive or not, and if you can consider that action part of a larger strategy.

Aristotle's thoughts about demagogy and democracy are still valid today, after all. That shouldn't lead to conspiracy theories in all cases, anyway.

You people should read the Mission Earth series from L.Ron Hubbard. No it's NOT some sort of Scientology/Dianetics garbage. It's a very good Sci-Fi series. The last books he wrote.

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You people should read the Mission Earth series from L.Ron Hubbard. No it's NOT some sort of Scientology/Dianetics garbage. It's a very good Sci-Fi series. The last books he wrote.

*slowly backs away from Racer Y*

*runs faster than a BF1*

I never liked Hubbard's works. I didn't like his style, I've almost forgot what he wrote and how he wrote it. Probably I'm only interested in science fiction when it trascends the genre boundary to become Literature, and there are only a few names that I'm sympathetic with: Philip K. Dick, Walter J. Miller Jr, Kurt Vonnegut, to name some. And of course, Aldous Huxley. Not even Gibson, who I respect very much but I don't like, although his style is nothing short of excellent.

All these people, regardless of their political/religious positions, had an excellent way of presenting the social context surrounding the facts depicted in their novels. I can't recognise this ability in Hubbard.

Edit: Eurema's Dam by RA Lafferty is one of my favourite short stories ever.

I think it's important to recognise the difference between looney conspiracy theories and serious investigations that question 'established facts' in a way that may be disturbing.

The looney theories can produce no fact's to support their case and rely on blind faith or ignorance to gain support.
- I'm sure you can all think of examples without me upsetting people.

Serious investigations on the other hand are well documented, scientificly researched and thoughly peer reviewed. Their results may well be disturbing to those sheeple who are not prepaired to think for themselves but sticking your head in the sand doesn't change the reality, it just gives you sand filled ears.


I suggest that people carry out their own research and come to their own conclusions.

However dates are strangely important as with much other symbolism, think Bohemian Grove, and it pays to be aware of 'coincidences'.
Particually with the Neocons desperate to stay in power.