Quote from Shotglass :

did i miss anything ? iirc there is no peak on the long curve currently

Quote from Ball Bearing Turbo :

I thought there was a very tiny transient before it leveled out... I could be getting my curves mixed up again though. Android's artwork consistently rearranges itself in my head. I think we have even had this discussion before...

Yes, the longitudinal curve has a small peak, which is virtually impossible to ride on. This curve really needs to be fixed to have high grip a bit longer, but slowly drop off more than now if you have extreme wheel spin.

Right now the on average fastest way is to go full throttle, because if you try to ride on the peak you're very likely losing much more time feathering the pedal. The only way to be really faster is to immediately nail it right and stay on the green part seen in the attachment below - going over it and trying to correct will just make you lose time by over correcting and going into the left blue part again.

What about the people who only use the BF1? Because you need only need a clutch for the start and would make LFS less of a sim for F1 people.

Quote from JET46 :

BF1? Because you need only need a clutch for the start

Also for recovering from a stopping spin/shunt and pit-stops.

Quote from AndroidXP :

Yes, the longitudinal curve has a small peak, which is virtually impossible to ride on. This curve really needs to be fixed to have high grip a bit longer, but slowly drop off more than now if you have extreme wheel spin.

BBT 1 / SHOT 0

The best way of attempting to ride that curve is to adjust gearing so that going WOT while holding the revs around the torque peak using the clutch doesn't totally break traction. Then you're feathering the clutch instead of the throttle which is a lot easier and intuitive.

It's still too easy to just dump the clutch and floor it obviously, but I like to hone some skills in the hope that one day they will benefit me. The days of hearing everyone on the grid holding the car on the limiter is hopefully going to die out, that drives me nuts and ruins the immersion on the grid! :gnasher:

Quote from xaotik :

Also for recovering from a stopping spin/shunt and pit-stops.

Yes, just forgot to mention that, but if the transmition is undated in this way without special attention to the BF1, it would force people who pretty much only drive the BF1 to buy a whole new wheel.

BTW personally I would love to have to use the clutch like they do in real F1, but there is not a wheel (that I can find) on sale with a clutch padle on the steering wheel.

Simply, the day that LFS forces you to go out and purchase an expensive game controller to race is the day that me and I'm guessing many many others will no longer play LFS. That means that a. I will be quite upset to have to give up racing LFS due to financial status, which I enjoy as an evening wind-down after a long day and b. there will be much less people on to frequent the servers because they will have to give it up over financial status.

And before anyone suggests using a key or button, that isn't an option. Autoclutching is more "realistic" than using a digital input for clutch, IMO.

Quote from Shotglass :

i was completely unable to get the car in motion without any feedback from my back

Are you being serious, was that a joke? I think you have a problem with your hearing if you couldn't make a start when unable to feel the G's against teh backrest.

there is a steering wheel the has the clutch and the h shifter.
it is a logitech G25 streeing wheel

Quote from orange101 :

there is a steering wheel the has the clutch and the h shifter.
it is a logitech G25 streeing wheel

Is that a response to my post? I stated "without an expensive controller". An inexpensive controller would be $50-70. Momo or DFP is an inexpensive controller. G25 is not.

Yes, I would love to get a G25 to play LFS, but I can't justify the cash. If I played a load of sims which were all G25-ready I might consider it, but since I can't use it for my Xbox then I simply can't do it.

Currently I have a button set up as a manual clutch, because I thought I should at least make the effort of getting used to it when the "force auto clutch off" feature was added. I currently only really use it at the start line and sometimes (as mentioned in another thread) to bump my revs so someone knows I'm there. But obviously being a button means it's either 0 or 100%, so it won't be great if the clutch is made 100% realistic.

I own a G25. It certainly doesn't have a clutch on the wheel. Are you confusing it with the gear change paddles perhaps?

Quote from mrodgers :

And before anyone suggests using a key or button, that isn't an option. Autoclutching is more "realistic" than using a digital input for clutch, IMO.

Quote from Dajmin :

But obviously being a button means it's either 0 or 100%, so it won't be great if the clutch is made 100% realistic.

Nah, that's all bogus. It's still inherantly more realistic to use a real life function in a silly way than to have that function done by magic. I used button clutch on my old Momo for ages, and it gives more control and is not a problem at all, save for the well known pre-shifting then clutch problem. It doesn't have to be instantly binary, there could be a progression like there kind of is now, but adjustable. Saying it's not an option means that keyboard and mouse users should be excluded; since by that logic gas & brake pedals must be analog or nothing. You can always adjust first gear to make it forgiving, and you can still dump the clutch with moderate revs and be fine. Yes there would be disadvantages (duh) to an analog clutch, but such is life for keyboard mouse users in even more important aspects; and they get by just fine. Button clutch is a perfectly viable and reasonable alternative.

well i would have to agree with comments made about the price of 3-pedal wheels. afaik the G25 is the only half-decent wheel with 3 pedals. but i, like about 60% of racers cannot afford to pay over 300 for a g25 excl. shipping. i have no trouble using a clutch, just i cant afford it! lesser priced wheels seem to "disintegrate" under heavy use in my experience. another alternative is required imho. i think lots of other racers will agree with me on this one.