You're arguing over a footnote I made so no-one thinks I made a mistake in copy/pasting the quote. And what he said is still wrong. I may be Bulgarian but I've lived in an English speaking country and studied in English since 5th grade (I finish highschool at the end of this year). My English qualifications are probably better than yours. And for the record, I wouldn't take your word on anything so just stop arguing with me.
You're arguing over a footnote I made so no-one thinks I made a mistake in copy/pasting the quote. And what he said is still wrong. I may be Bulgarian but I've lived in an English speaking country and studied in English since 5th grade (I finish highschool at the end of this year). My English qualifications are probably better than yours. And for the record, I wouldn't take your word on anything so just stop arguing with me.
This sentence doesn't make any sense. What is this "not English" that axus seems to be in possession of?
Yup. Internet commandment Number 1:-
''Thou shalt not criticise language in an internet forum unless one is absolutely sure of the correctness of theirs..''
I wonder what people would say if Hamilton and Alonso switched positions in that move.
Come on, I agree it was a tricky move, but not dirty at all. They are fighting for the World Championship, both knew a track overtaking was nearly impossible and maintaining the position was the key.
Hamilton tried a desperate move and Alonso did the same, and AFAIK he had the turn. If they ran parallel Hamilton would have taken the position because his wider line granted him a bit of speed over Alonso, so he closed completely. If Hamilton had keep the pace he could overtake Alonso in the pit stops, but he couldn't.
Great win for Kimi, he really deserved it, just missed the final fast lap
Ferrari will win the constructors without the help of McLaren sanction. Go!
Come on, I agree it was a tricky move, but not dirty at all. They are fighting for the World Championship, both knew a track overtaking was nearly impossible and maintaining the position was the key.
Hamilton tried a desperate move and Alonso did the same, and AFAIK he had the turn. If they ran parallel Hamilton would have taken the position because his wider line granted him a bit of speed over Alonso, so he closed completely. If Hamilton had keep the pace he could overtake Alonso in the pit stops, but he couldn't.
Great win for Kimi, he really deserved it, just missed the final fast lap
Ferrari will win the constructors without the help of McLaren sanction. Go!The sentence that Axus wrote, saying it was Hamilton's quote is perfect English, anyone who cannot see that needs a new face.
So he misses out a few apostrophes and you think that changes the whole meaning of the sentence? No. Not in English it Doesn't the Apostrophe just symbolised a collection of letters that are not written down, without the Apostrophe, if you just stay SMART, you can understand that there is letters missing. The point is anyway, that Hamilton didn't WRITE this, he said it, and somebody else copied it. When you are speaking you don't think about where puncuation should be or anything like that, because Speaking and Reading/writing are 2 different Languages. English Speaking, is a different language to English Reading/writing, that is why people can't read or write, but can speak. But not Axus of course, Mr. I'm Bulgarian, no wait I'm South African telling others about English, even if you are right, you have to take a backseat, that goes for all of you. Its harder to learn other languages than it is English, You were born knowing a more cultural and harder language than English, yet its still a priority to correct other peoples English... Sickening.
Rambling's over.
So he misses out a few apostrophes and you think that changes the whole meaning of the sentence? No. Not in English it Doesn't the Apostrophe just symbolised a collection of letters that are not written down, without the Apostrophe, if you just stay SMART, you can understand that there is letters missing. The point is anyway, that Hamilton didn't WRITE this, he said it, and somebody else copied it. When you are speaking you don't think about where puncuation should be or anything like that, because Speaking and Reading/writing are 2 different Languages. English Speaking, is a different language to English Reading/writing, that is why people can't read or write, but can speak. But not Axus of course, Mr. I'm Bulgarian, no wait I'm South African telling others about English, even if you are right, you have to take a backseat, that goes for all of you. Its harder to learn other languages than it is English, You were born knowing a more cultural and harder language than English, yet its still a priority to correct other peoples English... Sickening.
Rambling's over.
Surely the fact that he was ''born knowing a more cultural and harder language than English'' makes him MORE qualified to correct peoples English?! Theres no need to bring race into the discussion either.
Besides, as a native Englishman (apparently this matters greatly:shrug
I'm constantly amazed by the shocking quality of peoples written and spoken English. In fact, in a lot of cases I find that people speaking English as a second language do a much better job than your average English citizen.Blueflame, you're the first person I have ever added to my ignore list.
J.B. welcome to that club. The club of people who haev ignored Blueflame.
The problem's not inappropriate use of apostrophes. Look at the sentence: "I just feel for someone that's always complaining about people doing unfair moves just pushed me wide." The word for implies that there's something to come describing that "someone" in the next clause. But there isn't. I did this stuff a few years ago and it was something to do with main and subordinate clauses. Frankly I don't care enough to look it up because anyone should be able to see that the sentence is missing something. Now SHUT UP, because I have no intention of responding to your next steaming pile of angry immature teenager crap. When you see a pattern emerge with 99% of people always against you when you argue you should know that there's something wrong with your attitude. I think I'll join that BlueFlame ignore club now.
Anton, you're the lucky 3rd member! you win...
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Oh goodie - pointless online argument about something silly*! My favourite!
* as if there's any other type of online argument.
If and only if the transcript of that sentence is correct then Lewis didn't make sense - which is okay with me. He's leading the drivers' championship, not the orators'.
However... my version of what he said (or meant to say) is:
"I just feel for someone that's always complaining about people doing unfair moves and has just pushed me wide."
Oh yeah - and just for the record, Blueflame: your comments towards axus (and actually towards all of us who are not of the all-knowing pure-bred English caste you insinuate to be and actually made the effort to learn English) just show you are an insecure person - I suggest you clear it up with yourself before taking it public, it'll save you and others time/annoyance and petty arguments.
* as if there's any other type of online argument.
If and only if the transcript of that sentence is correct then Lewis didn't make sense - which is okay with me. He's leading the drivers' championship, not the orators'.
However... my version of what he said (or meant to say) is:
"I just feel for someone that's always complaining about people doing unfair moves and has just pushed me wide."
Oh yeah - and just for the record, Blueflame: your comments towards axus (and actually towards all of us who are not of the all-knowing pure-bred English caste you insinuate to be and actually made the effort to learn English) just show you are an insecure person - I suggest you clear it up with yourself before taking it public, it'll save you and others time/annoyance and petty arguments.
I AM English.
Meaning I learnt English from birth, THEN in School.
Most of what foreign people learn is Older style English because its closer to their own languages. As if you directly Translate some Germanic phrases, it translates as old English.
I am moderately fluent in Norwegian.
And many small words in almost every other language spoken on this planet, except Russian, Ukraine, Urdu, Hindi, Arabic, Chinese and other African Dialects.
Meaning I learnt English from birth, THEN in School.
Most of what foreign people learn is Older style English because its closer to their own languages. As if you directly Translate some Germanic phrases, it translates as old English.
I am moderately fluent in Norwegian.
And many small words in almost every other language spoken on this planet, except Russian, Ukraine, Urdu, Hindi, Arabic, Chinese and other African Dialects.
What PC crack have you been smoking. Race was not mentioned.
English is a different language to what he was taught from Birth, the fact he is correcting others English rather than teaching others his 1st Language is stupid. He thinks English is useful. LOL
So what characterises this "older style" English? Please give examples or STFU.
The non-native English speakers on this forum frequently (embarrassingly so) demonstrate a better grasp of English than many of the natives here. To say punctuation isn't important is to demonstrate your own ignorance.
I'll never come to terms with the speed that some people are able to spit out phrases like "what you do is stupid" or "you are stupid" or "this that you say is stupid" on online forums. And it's just getting worse and worse. Atleast when we were still using BBSs no one did that because almost unavoidably all other members were neighbors.
Why does the fact that axus took a jab at what Hamilton is reported to have said warrant such a reaction? Would it change if axus was not Bulgarian and, according to his info, living in South Africa? Would it be different if BlueFlame was not English and, according to his info, living in Kazakhstan?
Facts:
1. Axus is here - you can communicate with him (atleast, you could until he put you on his ignore list). Hamilton, or the reporter that wrote the transcript is not and likely will never be.
2. You will likely run into axus online in a server and enjoy a race against him. You'll never do that with Hamilton (or the reporter).
Why does the fact that axus took a jab at what Hamilton is reported to have said warrant such a reaction? Would it change if axus was not Bulgarian and, according to his info, living in South Africa? Would it be different if BlueFlame was not English and, according to his info, living in Kazakhstan?
Facts:
1. Axus is here - you can communicate with him (atleast, you could until he put you on his ignore list). Hamilton, or the reporter that wrote the transcript is not and likely will never be.
2. You will likely run into axus online in a server and enjoy a race against him. You'll never do that with Hamilton (or the reporter).
The usual stuff the bloke sells on the street corner, but thats not the issue here.
You suggested that if someone is not English by birth then they are not qualified to correct the English of a native English speaker. THATS where race comes into it...
And English IS useful, it justs seems like the current generation enjoy taking the language, shredding it to ribbons and urinating all over it.
Ironically, those that speak English as a second language often have a much better grasp of it in my experience.
Thats because they learn English differently, hence why the term 'Old English' Enters into it, most English can't speak another language, and to see people buying into the English language pisses me off because English people are good for nothing when it comes down to languages. English is just a mish-mash of every other European language and to see others learn it better than English people, and rub it in their face isn't clever either. England KNOWS that we are all dumbasses!
You still haven't explained the difference between the English foreign people use and the English that we English people use. I'd be very interested to hear what explanation you have for that, because it appears to be utter bollocks.
I don't really know what you're trying to say with this either. Are you saying English isn't a good language? Yes of course it's got foreign words in it - we've been successfully invaded on numerous occasions - but does that make our language somehow less capable? No! It makes it better!
Sure it's more difficult to learn because there is less regularity, but the vocabulary has become broader as a result and so the language is more expressive.
I won't hear a bad word said about English.
Yes but you don't speak (or at least write it) terribly well, whether it's laziness or not being able to I don't know. I'm dyslexic and pretty bad at proof reading what I write but I still manage to write in a way that can be interpreted by both native and foreign English speakers. I think correcting people's English on an internet forum is getting a bit anal, unless they're making no attempt to produce readable, vaguely punctuated text.
You said bollocks, you don't get TAUGHT that in any School, be it in germany or england, but thats modern English, as is all of our English dialects. Take a Norwegian phrase Kev 'Har det du bra' It translates as has it you good, which would make sense just fine in Old English, on that basis they learn the Modern English today, without forgetting the roots of English itself, where-as English people will just learn it how they are taught, which is purely from Modern English, which lacks the allround knowhow to be able to speak either English to its Correct Maximum, or to help learn other languages. The sentence layout of old English, is that of Non-English Languages today. The fact we learn and practice Modern English just farks everything up. And if you rearange words in a different way, you will find most English people are like 'WTF' when people who are capable in more than one language, can understand it. Yes, just simple changing of the order of the words!
It is anal, but i don't know why, but that wasn't my issue with the guy. Whether Hamiltons English was good or not. A Bulgarian guy in South Africa should NOT be correcting it. I gather Axus you weren't even taught English by someone who WAS English, so therefore what he taught you mayn't be correct. Its the case in alot of places around the world and the worst thing is, people learning English from American TV and Movies........ it makes me feel really angry. Because American English, is frankly, too different to be called English. Theres all these phrases i think most British people find annoying, that get used by Americans and foreigners assume we say that kinda stuff too.
I just gave my life story.
Congratulations on getting all your prejudices put in one go
I don't understand what you mean
I haven't prejudged anyone wrongly, my Prejudging is based on Fact in the Majority. Such other things based on these are Election Polls. Forum Polls. SENSUS Statistics and Zoo Keeping to name but a few.
Regional dialects are older than formal English, and modern colloquial speech really isn't all that different from formal speech in terms of grammar anyway. Perhaps your particular peer group has a particularly peculiar register of speech that I'm not aware of?
That's called "grammar". English grammar hasn't actually changed all that much since it was formalised (you'd have to go back as far as Chaucer to find no formal grammar or even spelling) and the majority of English-using Europeans here on the forums manage to construct English sentences in subject/verb/object order, regardless of the grammar they are used to in their native languages.
I still don't understand what you're getting at.
Edit: If you're saying Axus doesn't understand British English well enough to correct Lewis Hamilton - if that's truly the crux of what you're saying - then you're wrong. Hamilton's grammar was terrible in that quote (assuming it is a quote and not a paraphrase).
Native English speakers learnt the language through osmosis, by being around and interacting with English speaking people since the day they were born. Who are you to say that the many dialects of English which are spoken in the UK don't allow people to speak to their maximum, just because they don't tie in with the syntax of foreign languages, or the way English is taught in school.
In my opinion the primary function of language is to allow people to connect and allow them to communicate their thoughts, ideas and feelings with fluidity. It's certainly not there to alienate people because they don't adheir to your small minded view of what constitutes well a grammaticised sentence.
As long as they don't say "innit" or "schnizzel" too often I'm pretty easy
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