Well i also didn't saw the replay.
But imo if i don't know the guy that i'm trying to overlap i don't try to ban him directly. If he is blocking i send him a message (over the message shortcuts) to let me pass. I just looked at Ticks online racer stats and he only drove 694km until now. So he lacks a little bit of experience. I suppose it was a public race so i would have drove the race and after the race i would have talked to him, pointing out his error so that he could learn something out of it.
I would'nt have ban him right away. I understand that if poeple like Jet_CZE, n1lyn and norbi and etc... are driving against each other no one would like to loose. But hey it's no league race so there is nothing to gain or loose. For wreckers it's another thing, they destroy the fun, but for poeple that are new, banning them doesn't help. They don't learn by getting banned.

We all were newbies sometimes so don't be so harsh on the new drivers.

As i said, didn't saw a replay of this race and i don't want to offend someone. It's just a general opinion from me and not specificaly related to this incident.

Quote from TaiFong :

If I get blue flagged, I usually stick my middle finger in the air and start weaving around the track like an **** while spewing profanity. Even though no one can see my middle finger or hear my caustic curses, it makes me feel like a real man inside.



Don't mind me...

haha I do that sometimes, except the finger waving part.

it helps me cooling down, firing it up in a server is pretty pointless for me, if I'm really pissed, I'd just leave the server (with a few curses maybe lol) and shut off LFS and do something else. When I felt better, I'll just come back again.

Quote from mrodgers :

Well, what I'm trying to say and what I always try to say in these threads about the blue flag is............etc.

What the hell are you doing talking sense here?

I haven't seen the replay and don't know how clean either of you are as racers but my view is Jet_CZE has to take the blame for trying to pass a car in the chicane, particuarly a slower car which he knew would not give his position up illepall

However annoyed you are you've got to be a total dickhead to lap a car in the chicane, especially one that is being driven badly.

Let me explain the blue flag rule a bit better, unless the slower car actually cuts up the lapping car it is the passing cars responsibility if an attempt to lap results in contact. A slower car has every right to plant their car in the middle of the road to tell you your not going past this turn, if they do this you must back off, trying to pass a car like this is just going to end in the wall, if you look at the best drivers IRL when they end up in extremely mixed grids (this can mean cars GTR speeds mixing with Austin 7s) they respect the slower drivers, in a grid this mixed you are likely not to be able to drive fast laps, the smoothest and fastest drivers IRL do not get aggresive with slower cars.

If any faster drivers are asking how they are aggresive, it's mostly expressed in pointless lunges, refusal to except when a driver makes it clear he doesn't want to let you through and the use of the horn (which IMO should be removed, it just aggrovates the situation, I've since deleted it from my sound folder, but I think it could be linked to aggrovating a large number of these incidents)

In LFS to many fast drivers think they are great just because they can lap faster than others, yet these people are bloody dangerous, don't think twice in forcing you off the road and some will even completely ignore yellow flags. IMO repeated aggresive overtaking under yellow flags should result in a kick/ban but the majority of this sort of blue flag crap shouldn't happen.

I'm not defending every slower driver, some are at fault, and I'm not completely clean myself, I did pick a fight with Tristan once and haven't gone back to Fern Green since, at least we were rational enough to stop before we started banning each other.

MRodgers, AJP, you both make some excellent points and I agree with both of you.

In my opinion a lot of these blue flag disputes arise because the two people involved have a different conception of the responsibilities that fall to a driver who sees a blue flag.

I'd like to ask Jet_CZE what he would have done if the roles were reversed. Presumably he wouldn't have parked his car at the side of the chicane, but rather driven through that section of the track without delay and then allowed the other driver to pass at the next reasonable opportunity, i.e., on the following straight. (Perhaps by moving over or lifting, or perhaps no action at all would be needed.)

Certainly if you've joined a race halfway through, you have no reasonable prospect of a good result, and therefore if the leaders are coming up on you, I think it's only polite thing to take drastic steps such as pulling right off the track.

On the other hand, if I am about to get lapped by a faster driver in the normal way, I owe the guy all reasonable care to allow him to make a safe pass. But this doesn't extend to magically making my car disappear mid-chicane.

I would like to thank all of you for looking at this objectively.



Jet..I don't race a lot and I race clean. I hate wreckers and cheaters. I have completed the tutorials a few months back. I own a lot of sims but this one is the best. You are good and I have a long way to go. My problem is setups. the one you made and posted on team INFERNO i tried out today. Nice setup no wonder you run up front, I should finish top 10 for once.

Its all good, Thanks


Tick

Quote from Tick :

I would like to thank all of you for looking at this objectively.



Jet..I don't race a lot and I race clean. I hate wreckers and cheaters. I have completed the tutorials a few months back. I own a lot of sims but this one is the best. You are good and I have a long way to go. My problem is setups. the one you made and posted on team INFERNO i tried out today. Nice setup no wonder you run up front, I should finish top 10 for once.

Its all good, Thanks


Tick

Mmmm, strong within you, the force is, my son :spyoda:



Translation: That's a great attitude.

This thread generated so much negative attitude, on christmas! Why didnt the mods close it sooner

ok, sorry for that ban Tick, there were a lot of wreckers and ignorants on that server that night and they ruined me a lot of good races... when I met you my patience was depleted and i chose ban... others deserved it much more...
good luck with my setups!
have nice day
bye

[replay from that nice racing evening (not from that incident)]

Quote from Vendetta :

This thread generated so much negative attitude, on christmas! Why didnt the mods close it sooner

No not really if you actually read the thread rather than moaning about it you'd find there has been intelegent discusion and they've sorted it out in a civilised manner

he was probably just being lazy and skimmed over it. bad egg nog.

Tick, one more thing about the ban that I don't thing anyone has mentioned surprisingly as it always is in these threads. You're racing on the demo and there is no way to ban permanantly on demo. Vote bans only last 12 hours in both demo and S2. Admins in S2 can ban for a long time, but vote bans are only 12 hours there as well. So, really, no harm done, you'd only be banned for the rest of the night from that server. The next night you are back in business running in that server you were banned in. Just thought I'd mention this since you're fairly new.

Happy Racing!

That's a nice note on which to finish.

"...and some will even completely ignore yellow flags. IMO repeated aggresive overtaking under yellow flags should result in a kick/ban..."


well to be honest i've never seen any public race at wich yellow flag was respected in a way that drivers didn't overtake others.
mostly these yellow flags where due to crashes alone or caused by another car.

maybee i'm completely wrong and one of these "bloody dangerous" people, but i don't feel any pitty for anyone playing "rotor" with his/her car, if it's his/her OWN fault, so i just pass 'em IF the situation is clear AND i can project and follow my trajectory safely.
otherwise i lift the gas, or brake...

mostly i'm trying to avoid ANY means ALL damage to my car (except tyres) cause i don't like to race an "un-straight" car.

so far so good i think.

/off topic/
EY, i wan't my soul back, fuzz...
/ebd transmission/

brrtst

Quote from micha1980de :

maybee i'm completely wrong and one of these "bloody dangerous" people, but i don't feel any pitty for anyone playing "rotor" with his/her car, if it's his/her OWN fault, so i just pass 'em IF the situation is clear AND i can project and follow my trajectory safely.
otherwise i lift the gas, or brake...

I think you misunderstood that part. You're not supposed to wait until the wrecked car returns on the street. You should just lift the gas and expect somthing in your race-line so you can evade.
Those "bloody-dangerous" people are those who see the yellow flag, think "go out of my way" and drive through the wreckage at full speed, with no possibility to evade only 10cm to either side because they'd spin themselves. And that is the majority on the public servers. This causes a lot of follow-up crashes.
I often enough have problems to force myself to brake and drive the corner with propably wrecked cars in mind. That is mostly due to a lot of false yellow flags. Often I see someone drift through a corner and LFS shows me the yellow flag. Then I ignore it of course. But this makes it hard to take yellow flags really serious. You see the yellow flag and think "well, propably just an unlucky drift", drive on and end up in a hugh pile of wrecked cars.

Vain

Just like in reality a yellow flag should mean stop overtaking and entering a corner slightly slower than racing speed, so you will be able to avoid a car parked on the racing line.

There are obvious times when you have to slow down (not stop as that is just more dangerous) like when the track is clearly blocked or when your going over a blind crest side by side with another car.

What really got me annoyed was a public GTR race on As Historic, several laps in and yellow flags and clearly multiple cars all over the track on a very fast bit, the cars ahead of me did the only sensible thing and stopped racing and slowed down to pick there way through the wreck, then some twat comes past flat out overtaking me and another car before hitting the third out the race.

I do like the word twat. You don't hear it enough in my opinion.

Quote from Tick :

Was banned from a server today because some hot head moron tried to pass me in the shicane... word to you MORON! learn when to pass and dont ban for your own mistakes.. Its people like you who ruin great games like this! ,,|,,

Bwarrrrraahhhaaaa