No shit - the other day I sat at a cafe in a village east of here and much to my surprise I was served by a British person. The annoying bit was that he insisted rather vehemently I speak English to him, which naturally made me forget all English I know - kind of bad entrepreneurial instincts there, unless he wants a brit-only clientèle.
In the past I had another similar encounter with this guitar player from the UK - he couldn't stop comparing everything to "back in the UK" while he was basically been fed, housed and given a job by people in a nearby town. After a while I riled him up enough that he actually, honest to God, stood on a stool and started singing Britannia Rules the Waves to prove his patriotism. Classic stuff.
Wow, Xaotik, maybe all this Immigrants in England is a GOOD thing. We can book up on our foreign langauges. That makes me sick tho, if i want to live in another country, I will try my hardest to learn it. If people can see I'm stuggling, at least they know I am trying.
Well - there's this thing. People who come here from countries like the UK are usually two different types:
1. "I wanna get away from the bad weather, damn it!"
2. "I really love this country I'm going to."
Needless to say that #2 get along fine with everyone - even if they can't speak the language. You can tell when someone's being a " permanent tourist" or has come to live.
Those who choose to livesomeplace else are a lucky breed and they are usually better citizens than the natives exactly because they made a choise.
Not to say that we don't get economic refugees or immigrants from not-so-well-off-countries. But they're a different story.
That's part of what makes nationalism such a crock of shit, I agree. Why should I be proud of what particular lump of rock I live on? I was born here, so were my parents, so were their parents, but I'm not in any way proud about it so I suppose I should hand over my passport, should I?
Don't kid yourself. Slavery is what made our country rich. If it wasn't for imperialism we'd be another backwater economy and you'd probably be thinking about moving to another country yourself.
Our country is also currently actively participating in torturing people, the state isn't above murdering people who get in its way (Dr David Kelly, for example), and the government has been considering withdrawing from the european convention on human rights for a few years now because it's just too ruddy restrictive to a state that wants supreme control over its citizens.
I think allowing in a few "savages" should be the least of your worries.
If you can't that this country probobly has the 10th highest crime rate in the UK. You need a rain check. If you not proud of being British, or even living in Britain, Get out, or at least, make an attempt.
I have always considered myself European so English culture was never enough for me, I am not proud I like in the UK but I am proud to be English. You know I want to move to another country, so I will have to abandon this pride of my homeland and gain a new pride, try to understand what makes the people of my desired destination Proud and how I can be accepted. Something, which people coming to the UK don't want to do and whether it be JUST purely to go against my opinion, or your actual thoughts, you are defending these kinds people?
You said about 'Looking around' e.t.c. Well to put it into perspective. A Polish or Lithuanian person can be English anyway, as 'pure' English people, are actually, a wide array of EUROPEANS. So, anyone who is a White European, has a right to be English like the rest of us, because thats how our country started, our country is fairly new in that sense.
Given that there are only four countries in the UK, I think if England has the 10th highest crime rate then that's definitely something worth bragging about.
I've as much right to be here as you, and it's a good thing that I am here to counter your ridiculous nationalistic tendencies when we have general elections. Then again I am thinking about moving out (in fact I'm taking a foreign trip in October with the intention of looking at a potential move) but I'll still be a British citizen paying British taxes and thus voting in British elections.
Can't you just be an English person in another country? Would that be such a bad thing? When I lived in the USA I got the piss taken out of me every 4th of July for obvious reasons, and some Irish-Americans used to bang on about Northern Ireland when they were drunk, but apart from that everybody was very welcoming. Even though I was illegally resident the whole time and made no attempt to hide the fact. Despite the fact that most of them couldn't stand the idea of Mexicans living there under the exact same circumstances that I lived there. Presumably because Mexicans are Hispanic and from a significantly poorer country, whereas I'm a nice, acceptable white man from old Europe.
Because some people come here purely for economic reasons. They might love their home countries but find it impossible to make ends meet, or find their specialism isn't rewarded over there, or whatever. Why - especially in the case of professionals whose skills we desperately need - should we insist they adopt christianity, get blathered in the pub every Friday night and have a fight, and eat roast beef on a sunday lunchtime?
I would've said that Polish people were especially welcome because they were instrumental in stopping Nazi Germany from invading us during the second world war. The single best-performing squadron in the RAF during the battle of Britain was made up of Polish pilots who had come here following Nazi occupation in order to continue to fight. The RAF also employed Dutch aviators, French, Belgians - lots of foreign air crews. Our other armed forces featured soldiers from various commonwealth nations and former imperial colonies. We owe them big time.
People from the Indian subcontinent are also welcome here because we colonised and raped their land to make ours rich, so surely they're entitled to share the wealth.
Africans; well that's an obvious one. We wouldn't have achieved much without our handy African slaves now would we? So let's welcome Africans to share in the fruits of the labours of their ancestors who we shackled and put to work under threat of death, most of whom lived in conditions that meant they wouldn't survive beyond the age of 35 anyway.
There aren't many countries on earth that we don't owe a debt to. Getting picky about an immigration problem that is infinitessimally minor by comparison is rather petty.
You have some valid points but you keep saying I'm Nationalistic. It's True tho, things WERE better in the Old Days. **** race but English people only seem to care about when we won the World Cup in 66, but think about it. All the players were White then. Go Figure it out. We are a better nation at EVERYTHING when we are the NATION we are chosen to be. What is the point in Classifying people with different nationalities, if it is so easy to change?
How old are you? I'm 33. I doubt you're much older than me. I doubt you remember any "old days".
All you're demonstrating with this is how much of a ****ing useless England coach you'd be, and what an ignorant racist you are. It's like the people who declare "I have lots of black friends but I vote BNP because I'm British." OK, but you're labeling yourself a sociopath in the process, and I don't want to know, thank you.
For the audience, I'd like to point out things that I love about the above:
1. "white" has a capital W - it's a sort of personified colour that deserves the outmost respect and maybe even a title of nobility. Don't get me wrong, I'd laugh just as much if you wrote Black or Brown. It's like an attempt to make a colour something other than what it is.
2. "Better nation" and "nation chosen to be". Especially the last bit
really strikes my fancy. "Chosen to be" by despots who rallied everyone they could under the pretext of a nation. So in essense you're a better group of people as long as you adhere to the ideal some self-appointed - or of "royal blood" - tyrrant had for governing a bunch of illiterate and more-often-than not feuding villagers.
Aha! You seem to have finally understood: there is no point. It's one of the greatest hoaxes of the early 19th century.
If there is no reason to give people Nationalities Xaotik, then there isn't such a thing as Nationalism. If Nationalities don't exist, neither does race. In school you are taught that race is the colour of peoples skin. If we are all the 'same' why does the colour of skin even get mentioned, and why is there race classifications? There is always going to be differences, and unless you accept the difference for the judgemental forefront it IS, you are never going to get it to Intergrate with something the exact opposite.
Because it is to the benefit of controlling a collective of people to group them behind a symbol or an idea. Be it colour of skin, religion or a flag. That is one of the first mechanisms for setting up a State.
From all you say the only things I can deduce is that you haven't read history at all. Or maybe you have, selectively or accidentally, read/heard some parts of british or english history. Also, you are continuously confusing terms and subjects and not reading the whole of the posts made by others but just select a part and typing a statement against it as if it's an argument, this doesn't lead to any constructive discussion of sorts.
A racist is someone who doesn't respect other races of people. I respect everyone. Just not fakers in MY country. The only reason I want to get out, is cos thats the only option for me, unless I want to die. Black violence here is more than White violence they all think they are 50pence and can take 9 fake bullets or w/e
