Well im left hander so i use lhd

Quote from Jakg :

I dont think 70 kg in a 1000 KG car makes the difference between rolling and not rolling, and the grip advantage is only ever really aparent on the oval, and even then it's only about 0.1-0.2 secs...

Around 0.5 sec./lap on Ky in FZR

LHD. RHD is just soo weird. Had to drive on the right for IGTC oval yesterday, so weird. And slow too

Hmm well in the Single seaters i tend to use Left Hand Drive but in a normal car i would use the Right hand drive.


I hope people arnt as stupid than this post to argue with me about lhd/rhd in a single seater...

I use LHD and metric system IRL, and RHD and British units in LFS (because my team is England-based and most of my team mates are English).

Quote from thisnameistaken :

Are americans getting more defensive these days? I appreciate that you probably have reason to be, but it's an interesting phenomenon to observe nonetheless.

Some of us (Americans) are making it difficult for the rest of us to exist in an international forum. It gets old. A small subset of Americans are all about love and racing. And turning in two directions...shocking I know.

Quote from rubberbrush :

And turning in two directions...shocking I know.

I wonder what NASCAR would be like if speedways were figure 8's?

To stay on topic, how about some reverse ovals so people do RHD for the sake of weight balance? Perhaps there's internal balast that took care of this already?

I sit in the middle.

But when I'm in a tin-top I drive on the right.

Left hand drive, not like it matters for me though since i drive chase view.

Please... LOCK THE DRIVER SIDES! :mad:

Either to a certain car or LFS user account. I'm ok with both, but would prefer LHD only.

Swapping the driver sides between league races is just ridiculous.

LHD because thats the same as driving car in here. Though i tried RHD as in JDM style in mind, didnt worked for me.

Quote from frokki :

Please... LOCK THE DRIVER SIDES! :mad:

Either to a certain car or LFS user account.

Funnily enough i was discussing this paritcular subject on a server in the twilight hours of sunday morning, Driving the LX6 @ FE Green Reversed
Locking to an Account seems sensible thing to do , but if option is left to switch from side to side then i can see that feature (if ever implimented being abused(Unless there is maybe 28 day lock feature)
I'd Much rather prefer to have the developers at somepoint set the cars to a forced driver side.

Quote from frokki :

Swapping the driver sides between league races is just ridiculous.

Agreed but only if the league uses same vehicle or if that vehicle is re-used.

Quote from Gener_AL (UK) :

I'd Much rather prefer to have the developers at somepoint set the cars to a forced driver side.

I really hope they don't do that, as it would mean all or most cars will be locked to RHD, which according to this poll would piss off about 66% of all LFS racers. Actually I'm quite sure they won't do that, seeing that the LFS devs are pretty good at avoiding stupid changes so far.

Yes, people changing driver for each track/league is kinda ridiculous, but locking the cars is even more so. Linking the driver side to the country set in the profile isn't going to prevent the drivers in question from doing what they do now, they'll just have to alt-tab out of LFS to change it. Just leave it as is and ridicule the drivers as necessary, but don't remove options for the sake of preventing something that isn't really a problem in the first place.

Quote from AndroidXP :

Linking the driver side to the country set in the profile isn't going to prevent the drivers in question from doing what they do now, they'll just have to alt-tab out of LFS to change it.

Like Gener_AL said, it would be easy to implement limitations in country changing, like we have limited unlocks per month. Every 6 months or so would be fine imo. Driver side option could also be completely separate from country set.

Quote from AndroidXP :

Just leave it as is and ridicule the drivers as necessary, but don't remove options for the sake of preventing something that isn't really a problem in the first place.

But it is a problem!

@ Android

If lets say

XFG - RHD
FXO - RHD
RB4 - RHD
LX4 - RHD
LX6 - RHD
XFR - RHD
FXR - RHD


UF1 - LHD
XRG - LHD
XRT - LHD
RAC - LHD
FZ5 - LHD
UFR - LHD
XRR - LHD
FZR - LHD

Seems Fair to me

Couldn't you just write some InSim software that remembers what side the driver should be on for that league race, and spectate them until they change it to the correct side? I know it wouldn't be easy, but it's a solution.

@frokki: Seriously, how is this a problem?

Ridiculous/extreme setup options working better than they should is a problem.
Having a 0.1 to 0.001 increment adjustability in certain setup options is a problem.
Full throttle starts being the fastest on average is a problem.
Super strong suspensions on single seaters is a problem.
Not being able to stall the engine is a problem.
Crashing at 200km/h into a wall and being able to continue the race is a problem.

A guy swapping from left to right that gains him a few tenths at best? Really at the pace of drivers on public servers this hardly makes a difference, and on leagues you can prevent it anyway.

Quote from Gener_AL (UK) :

If lets say
...
Seems Fair to me

No, it's just an arbitrary 50:50 split, which doesn't make the idea of forcing a driver side any less stupid. It's one thing to debate about, for example, removing/restricting chase view which is clearly a realism issue - but the cars being represented by LFS would be mostly available as both LHD and RHD in reality, with a few exceptions for exotics as the RAC maybe. I can't see anything gained by forcing a driver side; it's neither more realistic nor does it improve gameplay

Quote from AndroidXP :

@frokki: Seriously, how is this a problem?

Having to do something stupid and unrealistic to be competive - yes, I'd call that a problem. Same logic also applies to every problem you listed. Using less wheel turn radius or autoclutch is quite the same, but understandable in terms of accessibility.

Quote from AndroidXP :

I can't see anything gained by forcing a driver side; it's neither more realistic nor does it improve gameplay

It definitely improves realism. If you have a race car IRL, you don't frigging swap the seat and controls for different tracks...

Quote from AndroidXP :

A guy swapping from left to right that gains him a few tenths at best? Really at the pace of drivers on public servers this hardly makes a difference, and on leagues you can prevent it anyway.

I know it won't make much, but neither does full throttle starts. However, don't we all want the low speed tyre physics improved? Maybe not on high priority, but anyway.

Quote from frokki :

It definitely improves realism. If you have a race car IRL, you don't frigging swap the seat and controls for different tracks...

Yes but in real life if I was in a race serries in Australia I would have a RHD car but then if I flew to the USA I'd jump into a race car for an event it would be drive LHD

Also if you want to improve realism like that, then you should restrict the use of cars to just one for a season as not many real race drivers drive more than one or two types of car in a season

I agree with Abdroid in that I don't see a problem, you can stipulate what side is used for a league so whats it matter about public servers

Quote from AndroidXP :

Linking the driver side to the country set in the profile isn't going to prevent the drivers in question from doing what they do now

As an arbitrary spokesman of the Indefinite Republic I'd like to say that we offer amnesty to all drivers racing under our vague banner to select whichever driver side they want to use at any time. Also, free toaster with every ten driver side changes.

Quote from Glenn67 :

Also if you want to improve realism like that, then you should restrict the use of cars to just one for a season as not many real race drivers drive more than one or two types of car in a season

Even though that's propably just an analogy, not a serious suggestion, it would have a negative effect on playability. Being able not to switch sides between races would not. I agree, that on public servers it doesn't matter that much, but yet I can't think of a reason why it should be allowed. Maybe "for fun", or "testing purposes" - well, allow it on offline use then. (That would also statisfy the hotlapper scene.)

Quote from Glenn67 :

Yes but in real life if I was in a race serries in Australia I would have a RHD car but then if I flew to the USA I'd jump into a race car for an event it would be drive LHD

That can be solved, depending on how the restriction is implemented. A compromise once again.

There should be a 'both' option. These days I mainly drive single seater so it's irrelevant but in the old days when I drove in ESL I used to switch sides depending on the track. Clockwise tracks I would sit on the right and anti-clockwise the left.

Usually LHD, like the rest of the normal world

Although it's not that hard to switch over, after 10 - 20 laps you get used to it (apart from the feeling of sitting on the wrong side of the car)

Or just centralise the weight distrubution of the driver so wether you sit on the left or the right, it doesnt matter? Sure the FoV would be different but the actual bonus to the cars lap times would be reduced? just thinking along these lines thats all. in the name of balancing and fairness over the name of realism, many multiplayer games have had to make the compromise.

I'm waiting for the first Australian/Asian/Brit to say: I prefer Right-Hand-Drive over Wrong-Hand-Drive.

But just like most people, I drive LHD. I sometimes swap it in LFS and after a minute I don't notice it anymore.

I couldn't do that in a real car though, it would be really awkward to sit on the right and having to shift with my left hand..
But eventually I could get used to that, I guess.