am thinking of buying new PC. could someone make a list of components and price that would be good but absulutely less than 1500€ ? less than 1000€ is optimal

it has to contain: monitor and THE ''BOX''. Speakers mouse and keyboard ... thats ... not important

soundcard is it worth buying anything better than standard ?

http://www.e-misija.si/artikli.php?group=273 - graphic cards

http://www.e-misija.si/artikli.php?group=272 -disks

http://www.e-misija.si/artikli.php?group=294 -housings and that stuff

http://www.e-misija.si/artikli.php?group=296 - motherboards

http://www.e-misija.si/artikli.php?group=271 RAMS

http://www.e-misija.si/artikli.php?group=270 procesors

http://www.e-misija.si/artikli.php?group=268 LCD's

http://www.e-misija.si/artikli.php?group=281 software (only is something is a MUST , otherwise pirats are ok)

PLS just ask if i didnt post something, u can edit it later and make list and use THOSE LINKS so the prices would be fiting to my country.

Just stick to C2D system & you cant go wrong. Yeah quad cores are out there but I cant think of a single game that uses the technology.

oh & Cooler Master make nice cases.

Ant - Does SupCom not use Quad Cores? What about Crysis?

More and more games are getting multi-threaded - if you can afford a Quad, imo you'd be a fool not to!

I speced up a £650 build (which i think is probably roughly ~€1300...?) which had no Monitor or OS - a copy of Vista should be ~€100 and a Monitor could be ~€200-€350 depending on what you want (ie a cheap-o 19" or a really nice 22")

With your budget i don't think you'll get a Quad though.

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Just stick to C2D system & you cant go wrong. Yeah quad cores are out there but I cant think of a single game that uses the technology.

oh & Cooler Master make nice cases.

Bioshock does...there is a setting in the *.ini file that is 2 by default for dual core, but has to be changed to 4 to use all 4 of a quad...I know, cos I've done it, and it DOES make a difference in certain parts of the game
There is also talk that FSX will support it with the release of SP1

i asked for list .. like

LFS s2 alpha blah blah .....33€

by using those list for components .. i dont lnow what C2D is? Core 2 dual?? ?
why are AMD's so much cheaper with having ''same'' stats then ?

Just dont make it Jackg kind of spam and discus Crysis

650 pounds is reather 1000€ than 1300

For now, I'd get a core2duo and a motherboard with a slot that takes both dual and quad cores. Then, once the games start getting released, you can ebay the old one and get a quad.

For every Clock (Mhz, GHz etc are a measure of clock) each CPU does a different amount of "work":
A Pentium 4 does 6 operations for every clock cycle,
An AMD does 9 calculations,
a Core 2 CPU does 12.

IE for a 4 GHz P4, a 2 GHz Core 2 CPU will do the same amount of work - in short, a Core 2 can do more work per GHz.

C2D = Intel Core 2 Duo (ie any E-series CPU atm)

^Don't forget the overclocking headroom of C2D's. 3ghz+ is common on STOCK cooling, and STOCK voltage. 4ghz is seen on air or water too, thats pretty impressive.
~BryaN~

My next upgrade will most likely be a quad core, and the fastest GFX card I can lay my hands on. 2 gig ram will probably do the trick for a while (any games work massively better with 4 atm? Can always add more later on I guess).

RE: soundcard, I've always bought a soundblaster for my systems (audigy 2zs now), but I don't know how onboard sound performs these days, maybe it's fine (it used to hurt performance in some games not having a dedicated card).

The 2900 Pro seems to be reasonable. No need to splurge for the XT. 2 gigs will serve you fine, but theres always room for 2 more gigs later down the road. If your going quad, take a look at the G0 stepping of the Q series, they offer better overclock headroom, and run cooler. If your going Xeon for quadcore, theres not much to point out, all the chips are fine.
~Bryan~

If your going to get a Xeon make sure you get a G0 stepping - My Quad is the older "B3" and rated for 63°, while the whole overclocking community lovesd the G0 Quad's as they make a little less heat and are rated for 73°. The G0 Xeons (At least the X3220, the Xeon version of a Q6600) are rated for 85°, while being the same price (thanks to several well respected overclockers not having a clue what they are on about).

Currently 2 GB of RAM is "enough", but if you want to multi-task to the limits of a Quad then 4 GB of RAM is a nice idea (especially seeing as Memorys dropped so much - In January PC Pro said my sticks (DDR800 Ballistix, 1x 2 GB) were an "incredible bargain" at just £150. Here we are in October, and you can pick up 4 GB for £100...).

Personally i don't think that multi-tasking will be the "big thing" for long - most people don't do stuff like DVD-encoding or anti-vir scanning while gaming because it still affects your RAM/HDD's, but as Developers realise that Dual Core is no longer "eliteist" it's something they really should cater for, and with CPU hogs like Supreme Commander it's really helped.

2900 Pro's are great cards, but i think i've gone on about them enough this week :P

Currently Creative's sound cards are the best for gaming (if purely because they own the EAX standard), specifically the X-Fi range. They make a very very small FPS boost, but do make a big difference in games that support them (ie BF2) as you get to enable a higher audio-quality level. If you wanted more, but still wanted great Gaming then Creative have licensed the X-Fi chip out to Auzentech, and to Asus (for the Xonar), the former is a nice, but expensive card, and the Asus is double the price, but still unreleased!

Thanks Jakg/dropin_biking...

Yeah, the 2900 Pro seems great, but maybe I'll wait until Nvidia releases their new GPU which will coincide with the release of Crysis, and see what happens then. I have really no idea about CPU's, I've been a bit confused with the whole Core 2 lineup, but admittedly I haven't really looked into it yet.

A concern for me is having a system that runs fairly quiet (no loud fans), because my GF and I will be sharing a fairly small flat and the fan sound will do her head in, if not mine.

^the 2900 series have decent cooling, but it's not too quiet in 3-D mode. If your not 'up-to-date' with the dual cores, chances are you won't need one running at 'uberhaxx' speed. The E4300 is a great chip (2MB Cache, 800mhz fsb, 9x multi) and is really cheap, but will still perform well overclocked.
~Bryan~

E2180 is a much better bet than the E4x00 series imo.

The 2900 Pro is a great card, but power usage and noise are the major issue. A £30 cooler brings it almost to the price level of an 8800GTS 640, and yet one quick XT BIOS flash and you've got something that can almost keep up with a GTX while being quieter.

Why go for a 2180? the E4300 has twice the cache, drop the multiplyer to 8, bring fsb to 400mhz and you've got 3.2ghz on the stock cooler, running 800mhz RAM Now if you threw it on a proper cooler you can take it even further...
~Bryan~

E2180 = 3.2 GHz+ - £58

E4300 = ~3.1 GHz tops - £90

The cache makes less than 5% difference.

Sorry i took so long to respond.
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jakg .. could u make this thing using list i posted so price would be ''real'' for m country

Quote from Jakg :

E2180 = 3.2 GHz+ - £58

E4300 = ~3.1 GHz tops - £90

The cache makes less than 5% difference.

In the Unreal 3 Beta Demo (and HL2 Episode 2) the cache size matters:
"From 1MB to 2MB there's a pretty hefty 12 - 13% increase in performance at 1.8GHz, but the difference from 2MB to 4MB is slightly more muted at 4 - 8.5%"

http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3127&p=2

All the new games are taking advantage of it.

But at high res, rigs are usually GPU Bound, so AMD systems still are a good option for gaming.