The online racing simulator
Quote from Hyperactive :Imho, the correct way could be to encourage people to learn to control the car in all situations. One lesson could be a very tight track to get a good time with the special key: disallow the hand brake, for example. One would need to learn the basic drifting techniques and then use them as a race driving technique, adjusted to speed, not style .

You could tell before the actual excersice about weight trancsfer and how it is possible to use it as an adventage. Lift-off oversteer, using brakes to initiate oversteer etc. are all important parts of basic car handling and should be the first thing to learn when in car. Driving around cones teaches you nothing if you don't understand what's going on

Yeah but learning how to correct, or even control oversteer isn't drifting. Drifting is maintaining oversteer for as long as you can. Racing dictates you should correct it as soon as you can. Lessons in correcting oversteer is fair enough, but not drifting.
Quote from http://www.liveforspeed.net/?page=moreabout : LFS S2 is a serious racing simulator.

Hmm...
Quote from Hyperactive :disallow the hand brake, for example.

Disallowing the use of brakes completely would be a good way to add variety to the somewhat repetitive and tedious lessons as they are currently. The most difficult thing when you first try a simulator is judging speed. 'No brakes' lap times are a good way to get used to judging your entry speed.

(I realise this has nothing to do with drift lessons as such, but I'm now deaf to the futile LFS drift/race debate)
ur all moaning that live for speed is a "racing simulator" if so then why the heck is auto cross in it?? also y is drag there 2.... drag racing is the most boring thing on the planet well along with nascar....
i lvoe racing and i love drifting. but i dont understand why half the guys on here are so against drifting....
tbh id much rather watch a car come out of a bend with its back end kicking out rather then it bouncing over the apex, drifting requires as much skill as racing if not more, 90mph while going sideways isnt that easy u no, and with a wheel its alot of hard work to even become decent....

dont flame me because i dont have a liscene yet or many posts, but i drift and race on other games and consoles so i no what im on about
@OP: Only if we get gravel rallies with tight turns

@slide ways: first of all: It's spelled "why", "you" and "are", second of all racing is about being the fastest, auto cross as well as drag racing are about being the fastest.
Slideways - Drifting isn't racing, rallycross and drag racing are - that is why they are in LFS at the moment.

Any fool can drive a car to 'the limit'. I think almost anyone can drive a car 'over the limit' (i.e. sliding, either gracefully or not). The real skill is holding a car ON 'the limit', and neither backing off (slow) or going over it (slow). The better the driver the closer to 'the limit' he/she can stay.
Drifting is more like an art and doesn't really have anything to do with racing, so why would you put drifting lessons in a racing game?
even of there were drifting lessons - they wouldnt do you any good.
Quote from Hyperactive :Drifting is a useful car control skill and can and is used as a tranining method in real life. Imho, a few drifting lessons would be all good in LFS. Even if LFS is a racing sim it still doesn't mean that drifting is just a side effect.

Werd..
#60 - nhoj
why don't you just make the drift lesson optional. it is a racing simulator, but the word racing is very general and usually describes preformance driving.
Good idea to bring out this old thread again...
While it might be useful to have a "skidding lesson" (which teaches you how to catch a car if you went sideways), those drifting for style lessons belongs to games.
Yay, zombie thread :zombie:

Quote from nhoj :why don't you just make the drift lesson optional. it is a racing simulator, but the word racing is very general and usually describes preformance driving.

I think you have that totally backwards.

"Racing" is actually quite a specific & important term in the world of LFS, in that racing (the object of which is to be faster than your opponents) is the sole focus of the game, while "performance driving" is possibly the vaguest term I've ever heard! It could describe racing, drifting, burnout competitions, stunt driving, vintage car rallies or anything else involving cars and competition ...

When (if!) LFS ever branches out from its racing focus and becomes an all-encompassing "performance driving" simulator you might see a drift lesson (burnout lesson, stunt driving lesson, etc), but don't hold your breath. Who's this "you" that you're asking to make the drift lesson optional anyway? There are only 2 guys that code this sim. LFS isn't run by democracy (even if it was, I'd bet you'd still see no drift lessons).
I think we should also have posting lessons in the training section.
#64 - Woz
Quote from TiJay :In D1GB, the fastest person wins, it's not judged on style etc.

Here is a DIRECT quote from the D1GB site...

The goal is to apply enough power to the rear wheels to break the tyres traction and to initiate a slide whilst accelerating the car forward, creating the Drift. Once initiated, the Drift must be maintained throughout the turn and the rest of the course, using nearly full power, slight braking and precise counter steering movements, achieving a gracious Drift from the first corner to the last whilst navigating within point scoring ‘ clipping points’, a section of a corner marked out by the judges as the correct Drift ‘line’.

Hmmm. So if I cross the line before you in this event but did not drift and hence did not score points who would win?

If me, why would you waste time drifting when it slow you down! If you were right people who drifted would never win. Please do not give me any BS about show drifting being faster.
:up: Woz. Straight from the horses's mouth too. Seems some fans of certain driving disciplines would do well to know their own bible before quoting it to people
#66 - nhoj
ya just forget i said that

my bad.
Driving sideways is fun, but Slidaaaa, I think that you watch Best Motoring videos too much...
Drifting is just a way of controlling the car through a turn. Any reason to dislike it is about as mature as it can get. Until we start insulting someone for having a different status. Like licenses or something.

Not that I am implying anything
Show drifting is the one where you pitch through the turns at ridiculous angles.

Racing drifting is when you go through tthe turn just past the limit of static grip, so the tires are sliding a little, but by dynamic grip they haven't really broken traction just yet. Hence the term "drift". This technique is a little faster than just plain gripping, but it wears the tires faster and heats them up too much, so it's only useful on cold tires and hot laps.

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