Haha!
I can't argue with that, well said squire.
LFS - a Rea Life Racing Sim, or a Sim Of What You Want Real Life Racing To Be Like?
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Haha!
I can't argue with that, well said squire.
Yup, I agree Kev.
I don't want to put words into anyone else's mouth, but I think we just find it either ludicrous or piss funny (depending on mood at the time) that every post you make these days is plugging your website.
The substantive content of your original post was essentially back-patting praise of your league and a strategically-placed link to the league's site under the guise of contributing to discussion.
Rules were not really the subject at hand, as the topic was really the way that drivers treat racing in LFS, psychologically (i.e., why do some drivers play it safe while others take big risks; why do people perhaps over-readily protest risky moves; why do karters seem to have such a big chip on their shoulders, etc). These questions were being addressed somewhat intelligently and there was good discussion going on. Your redirection to the rules for the GFC is tangentially related, but it seems to be to be another thinly-veiled self-promotion tactic that disrupted the thread more than it contributed to it (again, in my opinion). Now, I may have disrupted it more directly, but this sort of activity has been getting on my nerves for some time now.
I realize that any attempt to critique you for your self-promotion activities on this forum is a) going to make me look like the bad guy ("GF is providing a great service for the LFS community and you just don't want good leagues in LFS to succeed!") and b) going to be dismissed as off-topic (it is, but sometimes things need to be said). I do want leagues to succeed, but I want them to succeed according to the established rules of the forum, which indicate that the vast majority of league promotion activity should take place in the league forum. I appreciate that you usually make some effort to fit your advertisements into relevant posts, but they remain advertisements all the same.
I think you should seriously take a step back and consider what these posts are adding to the LFS online community and how newbies will view these kind of posts.
Not positively I'd guess.
That is detrimental to us all. :weeping:
The substantive content of your original post was essentially back-patting praise of your league and a strategically-placed link to the league's site under the guise of contributing to discussion.
Rules were not really the subject at hand, as the topic was really the way that drivers treat racing in LFS, psychologically (i.e., why do some drivers play it safe while others take big risks; why do people perhaps over-readily protest risky moves; why do karters seem to have such a big chip on their shoulders
, etc). These questions were being addressed somewhat intelligently and there was good discussion going on. Your redirection to the rules for the GFC is tangentially related, but it seems to be to be another thinly-veiled self-promotion tactic that disrupted the thread more than it contributed to it (again, in my opinion). Now, I may have disrupted it more directly, but this sort of activity has been getting on my nerves for some time now.I realize that any attempt to critique you for your self-promotion activities on this forum is a) going to make me look like the bad guy ("GF is providing a great service for the LFS community and you just don't want good leagues in LFS to succeed!") and b) going to be dismissed as off-topic (it is, but sometimes things need to be said). I do want leagues to succeed, but I want them to succeed according to the established rules of the forum, which indicate that the vast majority of league promotion activity should take place in the league forum. I appreciate that you usually make some effort to fit your advertisements into relevant posts, but they remain advertisements all the same.
I think you should seriously take a step back and consider what these posts are adding to the LFS online community and how newbies will view these kind of posts.
Not positively I'd guess.
That is detrimental to us all. :weeping:
Hang on a minute, the posts complaining about GF are more off topic than his original post. GF asked for feedback on his rules and system from a real life racer, where did he invite him to join the league exactly?
[off topic] The fact is so many leagues start, then end within a week. If more organisers showed the commitment and passion GF does then we would have more choice, and less elitism in the leagues section. GFC is a very good league, with nice people who have a great attitude to racing. I wish GF would plug it more because its an example of how good LFS can be. [/off topic]
Back to the point the OP was trying to make. Many of the people who play LFS don't actually follow much motorsport. How can they be expected to drive like real life racing drivers when they have no experience of it. LFS won't ever be close to real life racing. Not until you heat up your room to 50 degrees, fill it with smoke and fumes, wear a full face helmet, get strapped into your chair so tightly its hard to breath, sustain serious injury in a big accident, your pc blows up in your face when you over rev the engine...the list goes on.
[off topic] The fact is so many leagues start, then end within a week. If more organisers showed the commitment and passion GF does then we would have more choice, and less elitism in the leagues section. GFC is a very good league, with nice people who have a great attitude to racing. I wish GF would plug it more because its an example of how good LFS can be. [/off topic]
Back to the point the OP was trying to make. Many of the people who play LFS don't actually follow much motorsport. How can they be expected to drive like real life racing drivers when they have no experience of it. LFS won't ever be close to real life racing. Not until you heat up your room to 50 degrees, fill it with smoke and fumes, wear a full face helmet, get strapped into your chair so tightly its hard to breath, sustain serious injury in a big accident, your pc blows up in your face when you over rev the engine...the list goes on.
To be honest, I rather enjoy being able to freely express my opinion here on the LFS forums. Compared to a certain other forum which seemingly only allows brown-nosing and basically forces you to sugar-wrap every slightly negative or disapproving point, not to mention the apologies you have to attach in advance for being so rude by not praising the subject. I know I'm exaggerating here, but this forced niceness that undeniably exists in some places is rather off-putting. It is possible to have civilised discussions even when strong opinions are involved.
But this is seriously getting off topic now, so back to topic please (if there's still anything left to say).
when i read around the forum i come to the conclusion most lfs players want to get as close to real racing as it can get .
then i assume most players want to race by the real rules.
the problem is that there are people who think they know the rules.
(the black flag incident for example )
this is taken from :appendix h of the international sporting code (FIA)
aldo whe have not (yet?) have all the flags
http://www.fia.com/sport/Regulations/sportcoderegs.html
then i assume most players want to race by the real rules.
the problem is that there are people who think they know the rules.
(the black flag incident for example )
this is taken from :appendix h of the international sporting code (FIA)
aldo whe have not (yet?) have all the flags
http://www.fia.com/sport/Regulations/sportcoderegs.html
4.1.2 Flag signals to be used at observation posts:
a) Red fl ag:
This should be shown waved only on instruction from the Clerk
of the Course when it becomes necessary to stop a practice
session or the race. All drivers are required to slow down
immediately and proceed to the pit lane (or the place foreseen
by the regulations of the Event), and must be prepared to stop if
necessary. Overtaking is not permitted.
b) Yellow fl ag:
This is a signal of danger and should be shown to drivers in two
ways with the following meanings:
- Single waved: Reduce your speed, do not overtake and be
prepared to change direction. There is a hazard beside or
partly on the track.
- Double waved: Reduce your speed, do not overtake and be
prepared to change direction or stop. There is a hazard wholly
or partly blocking the track.
Yellow fl ags should normally be shown only at the marshals’ post
immediately preceding the hazard.
In some cases however the Clerk of the Course may order them
to be shown at more than one marshals’ post preceding an
incident.
Overtaking is not permitted between the fi rst yellow fl ag and the
green fl ag displayed after the incident.
Yellow fl ags should not be shown in the pit lane unless there is an
incident of which the driver should be made aware
c) Yellow fl ag with red stripes:
This should be shown motionless to inform drivers that there is
a deterioration of adhesion due to oil or water on the track in the
area beyond the fl ag.
This fl ag should be displayed, for at least (depending on the
circumstances) 4 laps unless the surface returns to normal
beforehand. It is not however necessary for the sector beyond
where this fl ag is being shown to show a green fl ag.
d) Light Blue fl ag:
This should normally be waved, as an indication to a driver that
he is about to be overtaken. It has different meanings during
practice and the race.
At all times :
- A stationary fl ag should be displayed to a driver leaving the pits
if traffi c is approaching on the track.
During practice :
- Give way to a faster car which is about to overtake you.
During the race :
- The fl ag should normally be shown to a car about to be
lapped and, when shown, the driver concerned must allow the
following car to pass at the earliest opportunity.
e) White fl ag:
This fl ag should be waved and is used to indicate to the driver
that there is a much slower vehicle on the sector of track
controlled by that fl ag point.
f) Green fl ag:
This should be used to indicate that the track is clear and should
be waved at the observation post immediately after the incident
that necessitated the use of one or more yellow fl ags.
- It may also be used, if deemed necessary by the Clerk of the
Course, to signal the start of a warm-up lap or the start of a
This should be shown waved only on instruction from the Clerk
of the Course when it becomes necessary to stop a practice
session or the race. All drivers are required to slow down
immediately and proceed to the pit lane (or the place foreseen
by the regulations of the Event), and must be prepared to stop if
necessary. Overtaking is not permitted.
b) Yellow fl ag:
This is a signal of danger and should be shown to drivers in two
ways with the following meanings:
- Single waved: Reduce your speed, do not overtake and be
prepared to change direction. There is a hazard beside or
partly on the track.
- Double waved: Reduce your speed, do not overtake and be
prepared to change direction or stop. There is a hazard wholly
or partly blocking the track.
Yellow fl ags should normally be shown only at the marshals’ post
immediately preceding the hazard.
In some cases however the Clerk of the Course may order them
to be shown at more than one marshals’ post preceding an
incident.
Overtaking is not permitted between the fi rst yellow fl ag and the
green fl ag displayed after the incident.
Yellow fl ags should not be shown in the pit lane unless there is an
incident of which the driver should be made aware
c) Yellow fl ag with red stripes:
This should be shown motionless to inform drivers that there is
a deterioration of adhesion due to oil or water on the track in the
area beyond the fl ag.
This fl ag should be displayed, for at least (depending on the
circumstances) 4 laps unless the surface returns to normal
beforehand. It is not however necessary for the sector beyond
where this fl ag is being shown to show a green fl ag.
d) Light Blue fl ag:
This should normally be waved, as an indication to a driver that
he is about to be overtaken. It has different meanings during
practice and the race.
At all times :
- A stationary fl ag should be displayed to a driver leaving the pits
if traffi c is approaching on the track.
During practice :
- Give way to a faster car which is about to overtake you.
During the race :
- The fl ag should normally be shown to a car about to be
lapped and, when shown, the driver concerned must allow the
following car to pass at the earliest opportunity.
e) White fl ag:
This fl ag should be waved and is used to indicate to the driver
that there is a much slower vehicle on the sector of track
controlled by that fl ag point.
f) Green fl ag:
This should be used to indicate that the track is clear and should
be waved at the observation post immediately after the incident
that necessitated the use of one or more yellow fl ags.
- It may also be used, if deemed necessary by the Clerk of the
Course, to signal the start of a warm-up lap or the start of a
Forum users are also more aggressive, not having be in the fear of the fists of the bigger guys
I agree that LFS racers are in average less aggressive than real life racers.
But we're only talking about averages. In real life a Formula BMW race will have a lot more incidents and harder battles than a GT race. And even within a series different drivers will have different attitudes. Take the first corner of Spa F1 this year for example. Regardless of whether you think what Alonso did was right or wrong, fact is that he was the only driver in the field who decided to force another car off the track even though many others were in positions to do exactly the same move.
Or Alonso vs Massa at Nürburgring. Massa decided to leave Alonso enough room on the outside even though he lost the win by doing so.
And that's just differences between drivers. The are also big differences between the way officials run different series. In DTM there is nowhere near as much tolerance to agressive driving as there is in BTCC or WTCC.
So to answer your question, yes I do think that LFS racers try to behave in a way that complies with their own opinion of what racing should be like. I even agree that this can differ from real life racing in many cases. What I don't agree with is your "karting is t3h only truth" statement because it simply isn't true. There is much more variation in real life as I explained above.
But we're only talking about averages. In real life a Formula BMW race will have a lot more incidents and harder battles than a GT race. And even within a series different drivers will have different attitudes. Take the first corner of Spa F1 this year for example. Regardless of whether you think what Alonso did was right or wrong, fact is that he was the only driver in the field who decided to force another car off the track even though many others were in positions to do exactly the same move.
Or Alonso vs Massa at Nürburgring. Massa decided to leave Alonso enough room on the outside even though he lost the win by doing so.
And that's just differences between drivers. The are also big differences between the way officials run different series. In DTM there is nowhere near as much tolerance to agressive driving as there is in BTCC or WTCC.
So to answer your question, yes I do think that LFS racers try to behave in a way that complies with their own opinion of what racing should be like. I even agree that this can differ from real life racing in many cases. What I don't agree with is your "karting is t3h only truth" statement because it simply isn't true. There is much more variation in real life as I explained above.
Completely wrong... Massa never intended to just let Alonso pass, hence he ran wide into Alonso who didn't use the whole track but stayed halfway to the middle of the track, something he is perfectly entitled to...
Massa could have had him off easily. That's why he was so pissed off when Alonso even complained after the race.
Anyway, they were just examples, let's not get into discussions about specific details.
Anyway, they were just examples, let's not get into discussions about specific details.
LFS - a Rea Life Racing Sim, or a Sim Of What You Want Real Life Racing To Be Like?
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