Thats what they/he want.

Well said Danowat.

Good Luck OP, you'll have no trouble filling this league with like-minded people it seems, so you should go for it. Hey! It might help the rest of us to get a good race for a change!

Found you another kart racer.

wow that is amazing the same people replied with the exact same reply's I had predicted to a friend of mine. How predictable. I even predicted who would be posting

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The reason people say its elitist crap, is because it is, infact it's bordering on trolling, simply because you/he are saying that (most) LFS players that are non-RL drivers are crap, and that just simply ain't the case, it's pure testosterone fuelled willy waving, "I am a real racer and I am better than all you non-real life racers ner ner ner ner"

No not at all, I am not saying LFS drivers are crap. I am saying that I disagree with 'your' racing philosophy. I am fed up with the silly arguments about driving that happen on servers, and the continual abuse that perfectly good drivers get. I am not saying who is better, or who isn't. I am not looking for the fastest or the best... I am looking for people who race with the same philosophy as me.... why is that hard for people to understand?

RedCoupe - I totally agree. Though I do feel people choose simming over real life as quite a deliberate choice.. In real life it requires you to drive, and behave in a different way which I feel simmers aren't so comfortable with. I can't imagine any of some of these guys going up to someone who is BUILT and who had just overtook you and saying... "why didn't you say sorry you idiot"!

I just want to provide a server where you can race in an environment which I feel more closely reflects how the real racers do it.

Anyone who comes on this thread saying it's elitist, or dumb.... well that attitude is EXACTLY the reason why I am interested in setting something up. If your not going to say something constructive please don't say anything at all

Quote from danowat :

e·lit·ism

2. consciousness of or pride in belonging to a select or favored group.

Sounds like elitism to me................

me thinks youre missing the point here

Quote from Intrepid :

I am not looking for the fastest or the best... I am looking for people who race with the same philosophy as me.

like jonesy ? would you like your nothing to go sir ?

sigh, you don't know me, or how I drive, IRL or otherwise.

Good luck with your venture, I think you'll need it.

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Though I do feel people choose simming over real life as quite a deliberate choice.

It is quite a deliberate choice for me. With sim racing, I can log on every night and race. I don't have much time for leagues, but I am currently racing in a Thursday night league. If I go out on the sim track and am feeling tired because I just finished a 12 hour workday, I can leave without any financial hit. I don't have to worry about crashing my simulated car because I don't have to drive it to work tomorrow. I don't have to worry about destroying something from pushing too hard and wonder how I am going to get to work the next day. I didn't have to put out a couple of thousand dollars to race LFS. I don't have to pay a fee to join a track in sim racing any time I want to race.

People don't choose sim racing over real life because they would rather sim race. They choose sim racing because they don't have the means to race IRL.

May I join the server as a spectator of this "real racer" league? I'd love to watch and see who is the only one, if any, to finish by driving as they would in a real solid hunk of metal on wheels. I want to watch the lag hits and the cars catapaulting up in the air because the elitist don't seem to understand the difference of racing blocks of pixels over a laggy internet connection to racing a real solid block of metal that can brush up against each other without ending up inside each other then the physics of the real world catching it and sending them flying in the air.

The respect you see on the simulated track between racers is the respect of the internet lag and the sportsmanship of wanting to race each other rather than win at all cost. Put a couple of thousand dollars on the line for LFS league racing and then you will see the type of racing you wish, the win at all cost. Until then, sim racing is a collection of individuals that are doing something for fun because they don't have the means to do the real thing.

Quote from danowat :

The reason people say its elitist crap, is because it is, infact it's bordering on trolling, simply because you/he are saying that (most) LFS players that are non-RL drivers are crap, and that just simply ain't the case, it's pure testosterone fuelled willy waving, "I am a real racer and I am better than all you non-real life racers ner ner ner ner".

Lol

I kind of agree with that, but I can also see where Intrepid is coming from. I don't race online anymore, because I don't even have a telephone line, let alone broadband.... BUT, beforehand I was getting tired of joining servers only to find the atmosphere ruined by some adolescent who started a vote ban, because he felt he'd been 'crashed'.

LFS racing does tend towards lots of whingeing, apologising, and general big girls blousiness....

Besides, I can imagine that the social side of a regular, 'specialised' server could extend beyond the virtual.

I have a problem with the comment 'win at all costs'

That implies certain things that aren't what I am trying to achieve. Also, this thing about people not having the means to race? I disagree, if you truly have a desire to race, even at a low level it is perfectly possible. But the desire HAS to be there.

Anyway back to the point. I have found the lag not to be a big issue. I find the collision detection to be really good at racing speeds. Of course t boning someone and seeing fly 50ft in the air is not right, but i don't endorse that behaviour. Collision detection isn't that big a deal when you have experienced drivers who don't turn in on you at every available opportunity, making contact very rare

I think people somehow think I want big contact, and bumper on door racing, but you are totally misunderstanding what I am looking for. But that is fine. If you do not understand you wouldn't want to be in my server (which doesn't exist yet lol)

Do you really think people "tip toe" around other drivers just because they can't themselves handle close racing?, if you do think that, then you are wayyyyy off the mark.

People drive like that because they HAVE to, they have to show respect for others, simply because LFS's collision detection is THAT sensitive.

I would like nothing more than to door bang, but you just can't, for now.

I think you should take a look at some of the races in the Irish national cup, in particular the round at Westhill, and then make some comments about close racing.

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Also, this thing about people not having the means to race? I disagree, if you truly have a desire to race, even at a low level it is perfectly possible. But the desire HAS to be there.

Please explain to me how I can race, even at a low level. As I wrote that, I also had another explorer window open at a debt consolidation/counciling site. Explain to me what I am suppose to use at the race track? I can't take the risk of using the car I drive every day to work, because I need to get to work or I and my family lose our home without an income. I have 2 very very adorable daughters that I need to provide for. If I have no way to get to work, how am I suppose to provide for them? If I'm using a credit card to pay for fuel just to get to work, what am I suppose to use to pay for my real racing since it's perfectly possible?

You brought it up by stating that I don't truely have the desire to race since I sim race instead of doing it for real. So please explain to me how it is possible for me because I'd really LOVE to go to the track for real and race. Or perhaps you would like to pay for my car, pay for my travel fees, pay for my track fees, and pay for the maintenance on my car so that it is track ready.

To danowat - That doesn't explain the hundreds of times i have moved to the inside and been complain about. I am 100% aware of the cars around me, so when someone attempts a move because I have left room I rarely turn in.

However in LFS it appears that moves that are on the edge seem to be deemed illegal and the driver is then harressed. This is what I want to get away from. I want an environment when people can try HARD moves, and not have to worry about being complained about, and having someone blindly turning in on them. But still knowing the racing is hard and close.

I am fed having to pull up video's from youtube of guys like Rossi, Senna, Schumacher all overtaking in the way I promote just to somehow justify an overtaking move on LFS. I am fed up of this. I want a place where I can race how the top guys race in reality. That to me is what a sim is for.

So rather than continually coming on here, or talking to admin i want to see if it's a possibility that I set up my own server to specifically cator for guys/gals that have the same attitude as me

Quote from mrodgers :

Please explain to me how I can race, even at a low level. As I wrote that, I also had another explorer window open at a debt consolidation/counciling site. Explain to me what I am suppose to use at the race track? I can't take the risk of using the car I drive every day to work, because I need to get to work or I and my family lose our home without an income. I have 2 very very adorable daughters that I need to provide for. If I have no way to get to work, how am I suppose to provide for them? If I'm using a credit card to pay for fuel just to get to work, what am I suppose to use to pay for my real racing since it's perfectly possible?

You brought it up by stating that I don't truely have the desire to race since I sim race instead of doing it for real. So please explain to me how it is possible for me because I'd really LOVE to go to the track for real and race. Or perhaps you would like to pay for my car, pay for my travel fees, pay for my track fees, and pay for the maintenance on my car so that it is track ready.

OK, this is off topic, but what if one of your daughters said "Dad I have watched you race those sims, I want to race karts"

if your daughter showed a real desire to race are you telling me you wouldn't even look into finding a way?

NOW, not trying to get personal, but I am being honest. If you have a TRUE desire to race you wouldn't have kids in the first place.

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NOW, not trying to get personal, but I am being honest. If you have a TRUE desire to race you wouldn't have kids in the first place.

That is the most rediculous thing i have ever heard.

I really cannot see the point in this Idea, only thing that makes sense is that you might have somthing in commmon with people your racing against, it wont make the racing any better or any more "professional". And Alan i hope you dont mind me using your name, but your faithful lap dog (now on my ignore list along with w4h) just makes what ever reasonable point you achieve tarnished with idiocracy.
Saying you can predict such things as who may post (quite simple reasoning if you been around the forums for a while) only serves to fuel the negativity, playing good cop, bad cop also doesnt help you win any brownie points either.
I know what your saying, and you should of kept your opinions and logic out of the question in original post.
The only way that you will ever get this "hard racing" is from experience, and by building up a good buddy list. does it make any difference what so ever if the are RL racer or even a sim racer without even a normal driving lisence (like myself) ?

Ask yourself that ^


You mean racers ? The big head smily you dont need, sometimes words are enough to draw a picture.
Also please make up your mind ! its either a leugue for skilled LFS'ers or for RL racers who also have S2.
Let me now go back to the question begining this nonsense to end this rather confused suggestion.

Are there any Severs or leagues specifically for Real life racers?
NO
Do we need any more servers in LFS ?
Again the awnser is again NO
Closest thing ive seen to a pro server is bladerunners "Hardcore server"

And im still waiting for this challenge pm or email when your ready
tbh i think your all talk and 0 show. And not much kop at that either.
Reminds me of an a age old saying , im not sure i have it correctly commited to memory, i'll phrase it anyway.

"Dog that know, seldom bark up the wrong tree"
You my canine friend just pissed on the tree.

It's quite clear to me where people want to take this thread, and it's away from where I intended, ONCE AGAIN...

A moderator can feel free to lock this thread before it is reduced into a slanging match....

p.s Gener_AL (UK) what would it achieve me racing you? I haven't said I am better in any way, I have nothing to prove. If you want to find me online fine, but what I am saying isn't about being the FASTEST, or THE BEST....??? something I have repeated SO MANY TIMES....

@ Mr Intrepid.

Can I just ask, and you are welcome to PM me if you don't want to clutter this thread up, what your exact real life racing credentials are?

Intrepid, have you raced in any LFS leagues, or do you just play the public servers ?

I have not entered *that many* leagues, but have found that generally the standard of driving is better, and that there is a greater amount of respect between drivers which in turn means that you can race harder and closer than you can on a public server.

I dipped my toes in the league system. I appreciate that racing on leagues would be better. however, the advantage of sim racing is teh availability of racing. i would like to harness that and match it with my desire to have proper good hard racers, It's just something I am looking into.

its not a slanging match far from it, if i could afford a kart (hell i struggle to even put food on the table here btw) i'd love to take you up on this challenge , but thats not the point.

Point is you want Hard fast close racing , this is somthing that can only be achieved usually if >

A> drivers can handle themselves and car
B> have a good knowledge of track
C> Know the limits of others

Now how would a RL racer server make this happen LFS isnt REAL

I really do like the idea , but its an impossible thing, heart is in the right place for sure , but your reasoning makes it fall flat on its face.
Sorry but thats how it seems to me. I dont have a kart or a car or any form of motor transport. So i could be very wrong about the desire for such a server, but there are plenty of good servers and racers. If you really want somthing , dont talk about it just do it.

Thats where dreams change to reality , problem is most people just talk about their dreams and dont follow them through.

Quote from Gener_AL (UK) :

hell i struggle to even put food on the table here btw.

(yes i am fully aware that this is outright trolling)

if you were really into it you wouldnt eat food in the first place !

Quote from Intrepid :

I dipped my toes in the league system. I appreciate that racing on leagues would be better. however, the advantage of sim racing is teh availability of racing. i would like to harness that and match it with my desire to have proper good hard racers, It's just something I am looking into.

Alan: There just aren't enough racers in LFS to make that feasible. I have my own preferences about online racing that are a bit different to most guys, and I almost never come across a populated server running my favourite cars.

If you want more real-life drivers to race against, you'll have to bring them. You could start by buying yourself an S2 license and then maybe some of the people you know will follow suit.

this is the very purpose of this thread. To discover if it's worth doing. I suspect it wouldn't gain that many numbers because of the nature of it. In truth for a server to be successful you need 100s of people on it every day.

So it might evolve into a club racing thing. Arrange a time and date and go racing.

I also like idea of having real racers all racing together and having my own server to provide decent admin. And it would also give me the oppurtunity to try different things

i own a s2 licence? where's the problem?

Quote from Intrepid :

p.s Gener_AL (UK) what would it achieve me racing you? I haven't said I am better in any way, I have nothing to prove. If you want to find me online fine, but what I am saying isn't about being the FASTEST, or THE BEST....??? something I have repeated SO MANY TIMES....

Reasons i want to have a race/test/whatever with you intrepid is help back up the claims that you made in another post the other day. Not to see who is faster better etc. But to show in a replay what close fast ( & perhaps a some BTCC style) racing means.

Thought id just clear that up

Quote from Gener_AL (UK) :

Reasons i want to have a race/test/whatever with you intrepid is help back up the claims that you made in another post the other day. Not to see who is faster better etc. But to show in a replay what close fast ( & perhaps a some BTCC style) racing means.

Thought id just clear that up

please PM me if you want to discuss this, because as I said I do not want to engage in an argument about racing techniques