I'm bored of what everyone is writing about it, whether it be the arguments, year long posts or the sideline bickering, maybe just leave it now?

Quote from Hoellsen :

For people to enjoy. Most of them do, either because or despite of me. I enjoy doing it, even though I work 6 days a week atm and have to take time off to run days like yesterday. So I do take the liberty to ignore stuff which was discussed a year ago.

I'll leave it at that. Feel free to write more stuff, don't expect me to read or comment it. The last paragraph I will take into consideration, btw, so just that you don't think I ignore everything you say.

You didnt discuss it a year ago, you hid just as you've always done. That is my problem, you never take responsibility for what you miss or wrong decisions. You penalise people for mistakes they make, but when its the other way around you just try and act like it doesnt happen. Hardly an example to set is it, maybe teams should pretend you havent given out penalties too and just ignore you like you ignore others half the time.
If you can show me an extract of where you explained how you missed the pole sitter breaking 3 rules then fine, but the fact is you didnt until about 3 months afterwards and between 2 of you one of you blatently lied, the other had the balls to own up, but those posts were deleted very quickly when i pointed out the fact that one of you was lying.

As i've said all along, you dont accept responsibility, your happy to point blame, shift blame elsewhere, but when it comes to having the balls to admit or answer to reasons behind your actions you point blank refuse in most cases, and usually for 1 reason. You explained yourself for the chatting penalties, you go strangely quiet for the westhill penalties and lack of correct/accurate penalties at this round, funnily enough its the decisions you get wrong that you refuse to talk about instead you insult people by pretending it doesnt happen.


Cawwa:
"Personaly I'm very tired of what Paul writes, since he can't let things be, bringing up a year old issues."
I didnt bring up year old issues, Hoellsen intentionally mislead everyone when someone mentioned they didnt know what the 'Westhill incidents' i'd refered was talking about to, i wasnt bothered if nobody else knew because it was never aimed at being brought up, however the fact that Hoellsen purposely mislead everyone as to what heppend i felt inclined to set the record straight because Hoellsen would rather lie and mislead people than be honest and forthcoming on these matters. He completely missed major incidents and blamed the wrong person, but pretends none of it happened and the penalty was correct.
If you'd rather pretend that this series is being run fairly and things arent being missed while people are pointing them out with ample time to correct them, then you do that, but im not going to sit back and watch the wrong people being punished, information being ignored, and similar stuff because the organiser seems to be too arrogant to check incase maybe they got something wrong.
Last round we saw Tweak spend about 4hrs going through the 2nd qual replay to make sure everyone got a fair qualifying time, this round Hoellsen cant even be arsed to check he's got his facts straight.
Its chalk and cheese. I dont expect anyone to spend hours checking stuff, but a few minutes if people point out errors might be the fair thing to do for those concerned.
But hey, screw everyone else if it doesnt affect you, thats the spirit of things.


And as for "doing it better" whats wrong with plain and simple DOING IT RIGHT!?? Apparently im the only one that has a problem with the wrong penalties being given to people, and i wouldnt mind but its not even my team or one i give a crap about, the fact is its the wrong decision and despite being told it gets ignored. Frankly those who couldnt care less i cant wait for it to happen to you, and we'll see how it feels when nobody gives a damn.

I also find it ironic that people suddenly appear from the woodwork to say they would rather there be less chat about blatent ignoring of rules and the allowance of it by the race admins, than there are people who care about teams receiving the correct punishment for any rules they have broken.

Exactly what does that say about you all!??

Paul ... don't you think your point have gone through by now? Do you really need to spend 5 pages of e-pollution to repeat the same argument over and over again?

Instead of wasting your time with writing your posts u should write a big artical about the yesterday MoE Race. Much better way to spend your time.

In my opinion threads like this could better be locked after the first post and communication / appeals should be via pm. A bit more respect for the admins who are "wasting" their spare time to give us a good racing series would be appreciated I think.

Quote from PaulC2K :

I also find it ironic that people suddenly appear from the woodwork to say they would rather there be less chat about blatent ignoring of rules and the allowance of it by the race admins, than there are people who care about teams receiving the correct punishment for any rules they have broken.

Exactly what does that say about you all!??

It means that we acknowledge that there may have been some mistakes made, but we have faith in the admins to correct the ones they can, and learn from the ones they can't. It also means that you should move on and quit your childish whining, because it really is getting old.

This is partially the admins fault, for letting a thread like this, go on even 2 days after the race has ended.

IMO, the race ended, penalties were given, 24hrs have passed since the race, thread closed. Thus you can prevent issues reappearing over and over again, and constant debate. Because obviously Paul is on a mission to argue with everyone about everything. And by god, does that man, have a whole lot of time on his hands, i mean sheesh, he's writing novels.

Quote from traxxion :

In my opinion threads like this could better be locked after the first post and communication / appeals should be via pm. A bit more respect for the admins who are "wasting" their spare time to give us a good racing series would be appreciated I think.

Agree...

Quote from Cawwa :

Paul ... don't you think your point have gone through by now? Do you really need to spend 5 pages of e-pollution to repeat the same argument over and over again?

Frankly im sick of the same misleading posts by the admins, claiming one thing when knowing its absolute BS. I was told to refrain from calling Hoellsen a liar, im betting i can find 4 cases of blatent lies in this thread alone. I wont have someone lie about me, making my complaints about his incompetence to do things correctly even when its been pointed out to him, and instead using other incidents to mask his own errors or pretending it never happened.

Quote from traxxion :

In my opinion threads like this could better be locked after the first post and communication / appeals should be via pm. A bit more respect for the admins who are "wasting" their spare time to give us a good racing series would be appreciated I think.

I admin for the BOTT series, its not 6hrs, but if ive made a mistake im not so ignorant that i just pretend it didnt happen, i accept it was my fault and appologise to those it inconvenienced. Its called accepting responsibility. Have i said their time isnt appreciated? no.
As for 'a bit more respect' The worst ive said is he's a liar, and i can back that up very easily thanks to this thread alone. But how about some respect for the people he's wronged? Is that too much to ask for?? Apparently.

Quote from banshee56 :

It means that we acknowledge that there may have been some mistakes made, but we have faith in the admins to correct the ones they can, and learn from the ones they can't. It also means that you should move on and quit your childish whining, because it really is getting old.

Who says they're mistakes?? They never happened apparently, mistakes are things that unintentionally happen, 12hrs notice of a problem, updating original post after the warnings were first made shows he wasnt AWOL for those 12hrs, he was in that thread, one which was already questioning a penalty he then overturned but didnt bother reading the rest of the 2nd post.

Quote from Razvan :

This is partially the admins fault, for letting a thread like this, go on even 2 days after the race has ended.

IMO, the race ended, penalties were given, 24hrs have passed since the race, thread closed. Thus you can prevent issues reappearing over and over again, and constant debate. Because obviously Paul is on a mission to argue with everyone about everything. And by god, does that man, have a whole lot of time on his hands, i mean sheesh, he's writing novels.

Yeah, i want to waste my time arguing with people like you with nothing to really add, apparently your fine with the incompetence running this series, so shove of and be happy its still thriving because people like yourself dont question why wrong decisions are being made and calls for them to be checked are going ignored.


MoE's like a bloody religion, nobody dare can question things that just dont make sense, the holy one says its so, so it must be.
F*ck off, just cos someone says 2+2 = 382 doesnt make it true, if you can justify how 2+2 = 382 then fine, but quoting science fiction and saying it must be 382 just makes you an idiot. If you want to be an MoE drone incapable of thinking freely for yourself, be that way, but dont tell me i cant question some of the stupidity and lies you all come up with rather than looking and seeing the truth.

As ive said all along, mistakes are made, but just ignoring them and pretending they'll go away and people wont notice if you dont answer your your mistakes is just plain wrong, a 3 year old kid has better manners.

I think we all understood now that some people are more nitpicking than others. you may stop writing novels now and just use the PM function instead of abusing the forum.

I don't really want to get involved in this thread, however I would just like to point a couple of things out.

Huppis' (16 - H. Jaakkola) initial chat in qualifying two was unintentional. First he unblocked his messages, and then inadvertently pressed T, then up and finally enter (I guess), which returned "16 - H. Jaakkola poisti viestien eston", or in English, "16 - H. Jaakkola unblocked messages". Next he said "wrong ", obviously stating that his previous chat was a mistake, and unaware that he wasn't allowed to chat in qualifying, it not being in the rules and this being his first MoE season.

I don't think it should make any difference whether or not chat is intentional, otherwise people can claim it is when it may not be, and it introduces a subjective element to the rule which should be avoided. The only defining thing in this instance is that Hoellsen said that any more instances of chat would be punished, and they were. Maybe it would have been better if he used /msg or /rcm, so that everyone knew about it, but he didn't and that is nothing to do with the teams which chatted earlier on.

The penalties did seem a little harsh to me, but they weren't inconsistent and apart from the mistaken identity concerning one team which was corrected, I don't think it can be said that Hoellsen made any other mistakes, and I certainly don't think that there are any grounds for personal abuse being directed towards him.