I totally agree with you guys. For me, personally, racing "street cars" is most of the fun of LFS - because it's hard to have the possibility in RL to do so. Yes, it's not easy to get your hands on a F1 car either - but I am not too keen on that anyway.
Is it unrealistic to race streetcars without rollcages? No. It's just not allowed in most places. If this is a reason for you (i.e. Jakg and most of all ajp71) to make it impossible in LFS, then your next step would possibly be to only allow people with racing licenses to play LFS... or shall I say "drive" LFS, as it is not a game?
Think people are forgetting that this is a game. what difference is it going to make to the gameplay? i could understand if the stiffness of the chassis was effected. then it would make sense.
Ney I don't think we need it because how fast are we really travelling in those cars without rollcages (except Formulas)??? Mostly around 260kmph average. That's not that dangerous to have a rollcage. And furthermore, it would lag those people in lower-end computers like me. If this rollcage suggestion is made true, well I only have one request... Which is to add an option to enable us to switch on or off the rollcage.
^^ - agreed, optional roll cages seems a really silly idea. It would hardly affect fps as you can't see the rollcage when looking forwards, so there's no need to draw it. I think, regardless of the impact speed, it's never dangerous to have a roll cage.
lala - I thought peak chassis flex is under half a degree in most road cars anway, so there's little point simulating it. For trucks and karts, and maybe for the LXs, it is more important.
???? are you kidding? a friend of mine flipped her golf IV at 40 kph - totalled. I wouldn't want to flip my car no matter what speed, but IF it ever flipped, I'd prefer to have a cage in it...
... in REALITY, that is.
in the game I experienced, that from the viewpoint of injuries, it makes no difference if the car I flip has a rollcage or not .
seriously now, my point is: I like to race cars that have this streetcar / production car feeling. I even suggested to decrease their adjustability to even enhance the "from the factory to the track" feeling.
probably there is no race-series in real life where hothatches right from the production are raced wheel-to-wheel. but hey, is there a real life series that races XFGs around Blackwood? Oh yeah, and if you come late, you can still join the race with a delay of a couple of laps.
if it's not allowed in most places then it's unrealistic and why is the fun out of driving a street car when it has a roll cage?
there are more cars on the road with a cage then on the circuits without
But at the end of the day, its only a game. Does it have to follow ALL of the rules of real racing? As was said, what difference is it going to make? None. So why force it upon people that don't want it? It probably won't affect physics, so what's the point in that? Surely what everyone wants is improved gameplay rather than pointless eye candy?
And yes, most people do enjoy using LFS as a cruise game. Actualy only 3 people here said it was a stupid idea...just goes to show ya...
Really, who cares about how closely LFS follows racing rules? Are we going to have the rulebooks from every racing series made law in LFS? And if not, which one do we go by? The whole point of a GAME is that isn't real. You can't die in LFS (suppose you hardcore race fans will shoot me for pointing out another flaw that you want fixed), and it is a GAME. It's about having fun, not seeing how close they can make it to real racing. If that's the case, why don't you hardcore racers go buy a real racing car and stop annoying those of us who want to enjoy the game and have fun.
you don't want to be forded to use a roll cage
so
you force me to don't use a roll cage ?
and if it doesn't matter to you if it is not as in rl
why do you make a fuss about adding a cage then ?
The first thing I said when I posted in this thread was MAKE IT OPTIONAL. I don't want to be forced to use roll cage, you don't want to be forced not to use roll cage, so I challenge anyone to explain how an option does not make everyone happy?
And, zeugnimod, ask around. Most people do use cruise servers. Just because 3 people here said they don't doesn't mean most people don't.
And yet the cruise servers are amongst the most crowded at almost every hour!And I don't think there're people who only cruise so the number of players open to cruise must be pretty high!
A rollcage is an essential piece of safety equipment that has been mandatory in (excluding some obscure example someone hasn't even been able to prove) all wheel to wheel racing events for at least 30 years. Do you not see why it's completely ridiculous to make a rollcage optional? Would you expect to see someone turning up to a GT race without a rollcage or helmet and a 3 point harness because they wanted to?
LFS is an 'Online Racing Simulator', sorry but you haven't bought a cruising simulator and whilst you're entitled to use it for a different purpose you can't expect it to remain like this forever. TBH drifters don't really seem to cause a problem because they need a car and a track unfortunately cruisers seem to have a very different desire than the Devs and (from this thread at least) the majority of LFS players.
"Cruisers" don't cause anybody a "problem" either, you say that as if it would make a positive difference it they went away! As far as I'm concerned people can do what they like. Maybe they wouldn't play LFS at all if they couldn't "cruise" so just leave them to it, and at risk of sounding almost as much like a fan boy as you do in that post, I don't think you should presume to state what the developers' desires are regarding what you consider to be a problem (unless you've seen or heard a statement from them on this subject - please link).
I agree making it an option is stupid, but as I said before, I don't see why LFS needs to make it a rule that every car must be equipped with a full safety cage. If LFS gets licensed cars (like Raceabout) there may be exceptions anyway.
So far cruise activities didn't even take 1 min from the devs' time. I have some difficulties to see how it can be harmful !
And I have yet to see any sign from the devs indicating that they wish to work on blocking the cruise! It would be totally retard btw. I mean wasting time on reducing the game's possibilities and discourage some potential customers! The value of any game is about what you can do with it not about what you can't do!
I guess you're mistaking your own wish with the devellopers'.
All I have said is, it is quite stupid to introduce rollcages, unless you're going to introduce EVERY other mandatory safety feature of racing cars. And whats the problem with making it optional?
Forced Rollcage = People who don't want it unhappy
No Rollcage = People who do want it unhappy
Optional Rollcage = EVERYONE HAPPY
And also, please stop making comparisons to needing a rollcage in real life - get it into your heads that it IS a game! I want to enjoy playing it as a game (whether that be racing OR cruising OR drifting). If you want to follow all racing regulations religiously, go buy a racing car! If you're gonna keep playing a racing game, stop whining about real life!
When the devs say its a racing simulator, that means realsitic handling, physics, tracks, etc., but not necesarily realistic safety precautions! Has anyone not noticed that the drivers arent wearing any visible seatbelts? Surely that's more important than a rollcage.
There was fierce opposition from a lot of cruise servers about the removal of an option to reset without fixing damage (something they need apparently) I can't remember if there was an official word on this but since then there seem to have been quite a few cruise vs. rest of LFS threads in both improvement suggestions and the main forum.
we want a roll cage because every circuit going car has one ,but we shouldn't compare to rl?
and you wouldn't want a roll cage because in rl a road car hasn't one
so we can't compare with rl but you can????
i use lfs because a race car is to expensive and i can race lfs when ever i want (and there are rl racers using lfs)
if you want to drive a road car why don't you step in your car then and "cruise" around
or do you want to race it, but you can't because you don't have a roll cage (and/ or the money)
yes seat bells to! ( just edit the suit or download one and you have seat belts)
why do you think "cruisers" quit lfs when there are roll cages ?
now there are no roll cages and i (and others) who want roll cages use lfs anyway its just a suggestion to make it look more realistic
If you are going to continue playing a racing game stop whining about racing features being introduced. Maybe go have a little cry or something and see if that makes you feel better.
if it's not allowed in ANY place in RL, THEN it's ALMOST unrealistic. but this will never happen. you never know if someone somewhere with a lot of money buys/builds/rents a track and lets anyone drive on it. not the whole world has FIA- or FIA'ish rules.
your second point/question is valid (is that the word, probably not). probably the rollcage only makes no difference, but it it could be the beginning of removing all "close to production" cars. I see this as a problem, not the rollcage per se.
well, that'd be statisticly very irrelevant.
does that make sense? probably cruisers cruise in LFS for the same reasons as you race in LFS.
I think it comes down to what we understand by "racing". I found this quote in wikipedia:
"A race is a competition of speed. The competitors in a race try to complete a given task in the shortest amount of time. Typically this involves traversing some distance, but it can be any other task involving speed."
It might not be the definition of race/racing, but it comes close to what I think a race is. Racing is not defined thru FIA rules. If two guys with two production fiat pandas in hamburg decide to drive to rome as fast as they can and look who's there earlier, then that's a race. it disregards FIA rules, it might be very illegal at times, it's not safe, it's on public roads... but still a race, no matter if it's advisable or not.
If LFS is seen by the devs as racing simulation/game according to FIA rules, then please quote it, enforce ALL the rules rigidly, take my S2-license and give me the money back (and you guys get your licenses to drive GTRs).
If it's not, let there be some variation - it hurts no one.
he says i can't compare with rl but he does
he asked why i race don't for real then and i answer and wonder why he doesn't drive/race his road car for real then
just to show how "strange" (cant find a other word ) this question was
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