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That's a pretty cheap pc you've got there, but apparently that kind of stuff is just much less expensive in the US. When I was in the US earlier this year I was tempted to buy a laptop everytime I went in a store where they sold stuff like that, just because the difference in price was so significant.
About the non-included display... you just hook it up to your tv
Seeing as you live in the US I suspect that you have at least two of those (one in the living room, one in the kitchen) and maybe more (bedroom, shower,...). Or is that just in the tv series I watch? 
Anyway, in most cases you don't necessarily have to buy a "display" for the console.Of course you can't do all those things with a console, but that doesn't mean they're not worth their money. And seeing as I cannot setup my pc I can't do all those things anyway
Well actually I can 'cause my girlfriend has her pc setup and I can use that one if I need to.Of course with a pc you get much better value for your money, that's pretty obvious and no one is arguing about that.
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That's what I think too. Xbox and the new PS3 seem like glorified standalone cheaper PCs, with extremely limited functionality. There aren't that many top tier console titles that don't eventually end up on PC anyway, usually in an upgraded form- if you're willing to wait.
The Wii looks different- you don't find Wii games on PC. Every time I've gone into an electronics store, they have a Wii hooked up- but you can't play it- and I'm always dying to have a quick blast with the new controller. All these floaty jellybean people bobbing around... and the new Mario Galaxy looks insane.
I won't get a console (how can I justify such frivolity?) but if I was gonna get one, I'd definitely pick the Wii.
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I don't think LFS is threatened at all by this new game. The general opinion I think is that it's pretty crap. To my way of thinking, arcade racers are really just stripped down normal racers, I don't know why anyone would want to take a backwards step into such territory. And if they do, I can't imagine them hanging around for long.
LFS- meat and 3 veg
NFS- stale 3 week old chocolate eclair, with the chocolate licked off by your neighbours' dog, and tossed behind the couch to fossilise.
I just have my pc and playstation hooked up to the same screen, makes everything a grand-total ooooof about 1700 euros. The pc was second handed, bought for about 400 euros, playstation, got that while the prices were high, another 500 euros and about 800 euros for the flat tv-set. Not even counting all kinds of expensive HD cables..
So the combination of both is even more expensive
Agreed, most people wouldn't need to think about getting a TV, but for someone like me who doesn't have one, it's a lot to consider. I'd need a telly and a TV licence (seeing as you can't but a TV without an integrated tuner anymore), so the cost adds up.
A more likely problem is patching and modding. Bugs in the game? Of course! Solution is easy on the PC, just download the patches as they are released. Most consoles don't have that option. What about user created mods? Can adds loads of content to the game, completely change it, or whatever. I run lots of mods for Oblivion, limiting controllers aside, I couldn't play it on the 360 as it would seem so dull without all my downloaded enhancements. OpenTTD is something else restricted to PCs, as is triple screen gaming.
Seems this has wandered a bit OT so I'll continue, the Wii is a lot of fun in our student house. So it hasn't got the best graphics - ever heard of Monkey Island etc? My point is, as people were saying in the Crysis thread, graphics don't make fun games, graphics add immersion and make pretty looking games. Tell me, what would keep you interested for longer?
We havn't got a 360 (although we are considering getting one) or a PS3 which I wouldn't touch with a bargepole tbh (GTA4 on xbox anyone?). Aside from being just PCs as mentioned, they just seem too serious - if I wanted to play a serious game I'll use my PC and play fps' with accuracy and race sims with a wheel. That's where the Wii really shines, 30 seconds and you're straight into a fun game.
There are enough single player games to keep you interested for a while too, Resi 4, Zelda etc. I also quite like Paper Mario
NFS - Pro Street? Won't bother with the hassle of installing it etc. Bring back NFS3 I say.
We havn't got a 360 (although we are considering getting one) or a PS3 which I wouldn't touch with a bargepole tbh (GTA4 on xbox anyone?). Aside from being just PCs as mentioned, they just seem too serious - if I wanted to play a serious game I'll use my PC and play fps' with accuracy and race sims with a wheel. That's where the Wii really shines, 30 seconds and you're straight into a fun game.
There are enough single player games to keep you interested for a while too, Resi 4, Zelda etc. I also quite like Paper Mario
NFS - Pro Street? Won't bother with the hassle of installing it etc. Bring back NFS3 I say.
I think arcade games are mostly very bad and unappealing simply because the driving model, the physics are so far away from the truth. Not that they are not realistic enough, the driving model just isn't logical at all. That being said, I liked the Race07 a bit because in a way it felt like decent arcade racer. But the NFS series is totally crap, the car handling is just repulsive. I also bought (and already sold) a PS2 and GT4 for a test drive this summer but didn't like it in the end. It was just too easy and forgiving until you go over that magic limit and you lose it all.
About Wii, I never liked Wii, the games and the console itself is just so "childish", I mean, games like mario and zelda, they don't attract me. I really can't understand what's wrong with NFS, I liked NFSU 1 & 2 , MW but I didn't like Carbon, now Pro Street comes and I think it's the best NFS of all. And graphics do matter for me alot, basically what I do, is I turn graphics to max pretty much every game but not Crysis, because Crysis is too good game for At The Moment hardware.
If i sometimes buy a game for Xbox 360, then it only is console exclusive, because when a game, what is for PC & consoles, I won't waste my money for something I could get off the net, game prices for XBOX 360 around here are insane. But if I had insane amount off money, I would buy games for PC much more, games like Battelfield 2, which I have, I bought because it's made for online and you can't play that game with downloaded game, do you?
I'll consider myself lucky enough to have both good PC and a console (THANK YOU EA BLACK BOX FOR game "Skate")
If i sometimes buy a game for Xbox 360, then it only is console exclusive, because when a game, what is for PC & consoles, I won't waste my money for something I could get off the net, game prices for XBOX 360 around here are insane. But if I had insane amount off money, I would buy games for PC much more, games like Battelfield 2, which I have, I bought because it's made for online and you can't play that game with downloaded game, do you?
I'll consider myself lucky enough to have both good PC and a console (THANK YOU EA BLACK BOX FOR game "Skate")
Ok I lied, I installed the demo. OMFG it's awful, truely truely awful. The graphics are in no way good, far from it, they're shite to be quite honest. Added to the the fact it runs choppily on my rig = awful optimsation there.
The sounds are also piss poor, whoever said they are good needs their ears tested. I'm sorry but a Skyline at 8k RPM should not sound like a tractor, which it does. Worst sounds in any racing game I've played in the last couple of years, and I've played a lot.
Obviously the physics, or lack thereof, are godawful, but then we all already knew that.
Furthermore in what way is this game not "childish"? It encourages 'street racing' whatever they may involve, yet has a warning at the start not to reproduce it in real life. How is that not designed for 15 year olds or whatever the minimum driving age in America is. As for the fact it looks as if it was designed by ricers, for ricers, well I've never seen a game advertise normal racing as "grip racing" before.
An absolute joke to me, and I'm sure it will sell by the millions because of that.
The sounds are also piss poor, whoever said they are good needs their ears tested. I'm sorry but a Skyline at 8k RPM should not sound like a tractor, which it does. Worst sounds in any racing game I've played in the last couple of years, and I've played a lot.
Obviously the physics, or lack thereof, are godawful, but then we all already knew that.
Furthermore in what way is this game not "childish"? It encourages 'street racing' whatever they may involve, yet has a warning at the start not to reproduce it in real life. How is that not designed for 15 year olds or whatever the minimum driving age in America is. As for the fact it looks as if it was designed by ricers, for ricers, well I've never seen a game advertise normal racing as "grip racing" before.
An absolute joke to me, and I'm sure it will sell by the millions because of that.
I installed the Pro-Street PC demo today. And promptly uninstalled it 20 mins later. Not because I don't like the series, but this demo is rubbish - looks 5x worse than Carbon, runs at 1/4 the framerate, and drives pretty strange too. I can't understand why it has to look worse than a 5 year old game to run acceptable on a machine that will run Carbon with full bells & whistles @ a steady 50fps. Not that Carbon was a particually great game either, but at least it looked/ran pretty good.
The same demo on the 360..wow, looks twice as good as my PC will do, while running at a decent steady framerate. The demo is actually fun, looks good, and shows a lot of potential on console. Bit of a laugh to drive as well. Just not on the PC, which is just a lame console port with no optimization.
The same demo on the 360..wow, looks twice as good as my PC will do, while running at a decent steady framerate. The demo is actually fun, looks good, and shows a lot of potential on console. Bit of a laugh to drive as well. Just not on the PC, which is just a lame console port with no optimization.
Especially if you take the middle route through all the narrow passages:
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Personally, I liked the more colorful graphics in NFS4 - High Stakes better, in spite of the more arcadish physics.
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As far as handling goes, Porsche is definitely the pinnacle. I loved Hot Pursuit 1 back in the day - my little bro and me played that for hours on end.
But Motor City Online (or NFS:Motor City as it should've been known) is still my overall favourite, despite being a comparitive failure. It came out right before Porsche but used the NFS4 engine. It was fairly arcadey, but it felt nice to drive all the same. It wasn't crazy twitchy like the newer ones.
But Motor City Online (or NFS:Motor City as it should've been known) is still my overall favourite, despite being a comparitive failure. It came out right before Porsche but used the NFS4 engine. It was fairly arcadey, but it felt nice to drive all the same. It wasn't crazy twitchy like the newer ones.
So was there even a dent in online activity? The vast majority of NFS ProStreet sales are going to console games, so I doubt it's had much impact.
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I has been playing NFS Prostreet for the last few days...I can has 'zorsts and NAWS and can gets l337 d0rift0s. Its pretty and got lots of bloom and shiny effects
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(actually, its quite fun in a way...especially when an AI driver gives you a little tap in the rear...and your bonnet crumples )
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I has been playing NFS Prostreet for the last few days...I can has 'zorsts and NAWS and can gets l337 d0rift0s. Its pretty and got lots of bloom and shiny effects
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(actually, its quite fun in a way...especially when an AI driver gives you a little tap in the rear...and your bonnet crumples
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You better start getting used to :hide:
:hidesbehi Its not just me then, I'm actually finding it quite fun now, if it didn't have NFS in the name you wouldn't believe its from the same people that made the last 4. The menu systems lame and so's the announcer at racedays, but the actual racing gets very fun once you get past the first lot of races and the AI starts racing properly. Its very stunning visually as well, not over-done bloom effects like CM: Dirt, and some of the speed challenge tracks are very good.
that's just exactly the reason to buy the game for you then
the whole game is set around track day races, no street racing, and the anouncer reminds you every 5 minutes to keep it on the track
I have to say people, I played it for some time (around 3-4 hours) at my friends place...
the game is great...
it's not "back to the original roots of NFS" since test drive unlimited dominates that area now, and nor is it "OOH look at me, I like to pink paint my drag - drift ae86" because looks like everyone is fed up with it
this has a new atmosphere, when you drive on the track with it, it feel like a track day...
1) Trackdays only, no illegal racing
2) Nice choice of cars to drive
3) the tuning results can look staggerigly good this time, which is new to NFS series
4) Physics are better then in Carbon (and the assists can be turned off now) which actually means, they are basically better then in any NFS exept NFS5:Porsche Unleashed
the storyline is weak (AS ALWAYS), and the main boss is a quintessential combo of LFS Tokyo Drift wannabe Noobs, and LFS drift demo noobs who never saw a good driver and think they are the best....
I still can't understand what is that tone in his voice, either the guy who voiced him is terrified of microphones, or he really believed he was the king
Just tried it with G25 using manual/clutch settings, 'King' setting, and all aids off...
It was surprisingly good!
It was surprisingly good!
we couldnt get the DFP calibrated for it...
Assists are not really off except for online racing. I only went online for a short bit, and it was obvious that some new online players were a bit suprised when the assists were really off. The online play is reasonably realistic in this sense, but no one is going to consider ProStreet to be in the same league as GPL, LFS, NR2003, or any of the ISI based games.
Good arcade racing games are great for much more relaxed gaming compared to racing sims. I love the GT serie on Playstation and used to like NFS too until ricers took over and raped it with a NOS bottle.
Arcade games don't give that same excitement and adrenaline rush as good online race on LFS, but that's not something I want if I'm looking forward to just relax after a long day.
Arcade games don't give that same excitement and adrenaline rush as good online race on LFS, but that's not something I want if I'm looking forward to just relax after a long day.
i downloaded the NFS-PS demo on xbox and ps3 and the ps3 seems better and i also downlaoded the jiuced 2 HIN but IMO NFS-PS kicks Juiced2 in the nuts! Big TIME! looks good i might buy it on ps3! :hide:
Not even looked at Juiced 2...Juiced 1 was a pile of dingoes droppings, so didnt bother with the new version
the only thing i liked about the juiced games is they have the ford falcon in them (my avatar) same with gt5, but gt5 was an awesome game!
The ricers only lasted for two of the games, NFS7 - Underground 1, and NFS8 - Underground 2. NSF9 - Most Wanted went back to supercars, the Porsche Carerra GT is the fastest car in NFS9. NFS10 - Carbon was a bit strange, an imanginary racing version of the Audi R8, called the Audi Quattro Lemans (looks like the new R8) and a very souped up Corvette Z06 are the two fastest cars (depends on the track for which one is faster). Carbon gave the Viper and Ford GT unrealistically bad handing. NFS11 - ProStreet's cars seem to more closely follow their real world counterparts in terms of performance for circuit ("grip") mode races, the Zonda is the fastest car in the game. There's a disconnect in drag racing though, since the upgrade process results in the Supra being the fastest drag car on a PC (under 6.7 seconds in the 1/4 mile).
Apparently you missed out on the online racing with NFS games, especially the older ones like High Stakes and Porsch Unleashed. Anytime you're competing against other humans, it's a challenge.
Closet arcade racers here at LFS?
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