I started out in drifting too. I soon realised that it wasnt competitive enough, so I started to race. I think drifting is much more relaxed and is a good way to 'cool' down after a league race or whatever.

I like going on to the Saiko^D and Team Orange servers as they are all very mature and kick.ban stupid retards on the server.

When I meet a Saiko^D/TO member on a race server, im always very surprised at the end of the race to see them usually on the podium. They have great car control and can handle a slide very well. They can also push the RWD cars beyond the limit much better than most.

Im not saying they are the best, but if they entered into something like BOTT, they would be in the top 10 no problem.

TBH, i feel I have rambled on and on about totally irrelevent stuff, so please forgive me

I don't give a rodent's behind about what people do in private. But if someone comes to our team server and starts drifting I ask them to leave or drive properly. If they don't comply to our server rules I kick/ban them.

To the racers who are "drorifto is stupid and not this and that yadda yadda". Nobody is forcing you to go to a drift server so don't. Nor is anybody forcing you to read all those topics about drifting. If there is you have my sympathies.

To the idiots who go on RACING servers to drift I only have two letters F.O.
Most server especially on the demo side are drift servers so why in the name of the almighty turnip do you go to racing servers to drift?

To each their own and all that.

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There.

Like i said in my previous post,

Drifting is MotorSPORT, but not racing .

Quote from aoun :

Drifting is MotorSPORT, but not racing .

So?

I am trying to say that drifting is like another strategy. If one is racing for speed, and purposely slides, it's just a technique, right? It's just a way of taking a turn.

Drifting is just a way of taking a turn. . . what else is it...? Allowing slide in a car to take a turn differently? It's still a technique.

I really don't see it in any other way. . . I mean...


People associate drifting with immaturity because there is a percentage of people within a group of those who primarily use the drifting technique in order to take their turns, and if they experience immaturity with them, they tend to base it on something they do not share. Which is this technique.

I mean I like racing as much as the next guy, I just see drifting as another way to get around the corner, and a slower one, at that.

Can someone explain to me what is flawed with this theory. . ?

Harjun, give Cr!t!calDrift his login back for the forum....

Drifting = slow, not a technique, not a strategy. It is a mistake.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but what is the difference between a four-wheel drift and the type of drifting on LFS servers?

AFAIK, the pre-downforce (and some of the downforce) GP cars regularly used to four-wheel drift through the turns, and some still do now (e.g, Hamilton)

DK

Quote from Cr!t!calDrift :

I am trying to say that drifting is like another strategy. If one is racing for speed, and purposely slides, it's just a technique, right? It's just a way of taking a turn.

Drifting is just a way of taking a turn. . . what else is it...? Allowing slide in a car to take a turn differently? It's still a technique.

I really don't see it in any other way. . . I mean...


People associate drifting with immaturity because there is a percentage of people within a group of those who primarily use the drifting technique in order to take their turns, and if they experience immaturity with them, they tend to base it on something they do not share. Which is this technique.

I mean I like racing as much as the next guy, I just see drifting as another way to get around the corner, and a slower one, at that.

Can someone explain to me what is flawed with this theory. . ?

that's like saying figure skating is the same thing as hockey. its just another way to get around the ice.

Quote from DieKolkrabe :

Correct me if I'm wrong, but what is the difference between a four-wheel drift and the type of drifting on LFS servers?

AFAIK, the pre-downforce (and some of the downforce) GP cars regularly used to four-wheel drift through the turns, and some still do now (e.g, Hamilton)

DK

Four wheel drifts are at tiny angles to use every last bit of traction the tyres can give you...

Drifting in LfS is showdrifting: Large angles, low speeds... It's a totally subjective matter which is judged by a jury in RL for a reason...

Quote from mrodgers :

Harjun, give Cr!t!calDrift his login back for the forum....

Um . . . ?

And I agree, it is much slower. I don't hate it, but in terms of a race, there is no point to using it.

Quote from UncleBenny :

that's like saying figure skating is the same thing as hockey. its just another way to get around the ice.

No, it is like saying playing defense in a hockey game is just another strategy. Less speed, different attitudes. (In terms of goals....in what to achieve.)

Quote from Cr!t!calDrift :

No, it is like saying playing defense in a hockey game is just another strategy. Less speed, different attitudes. (In terms of goals....in what to achieve.)

no. you are wrong.

how do you not understand this. the point of racing is to be the first across the finish line. the point of drifting is to score points with judges. how can you say that is the same thing?

Quote from UncleBenny :

no. you are wrong.

how do you not understand this. the point of racing is to be the first across the finish line. the point of drifting is to score points with judges. how can you say that is the same thing?

I think he is trying to get at the point that they are both motor sports that you do with cars. They have different goals as he stated, but still, you do go around a track. Just with a different goal in mind.

I used to hate drifting, but one thing I realized is that if you learn how to do it, it helps alot with car controll in tight situations, sometimes drifting a corner or a whole set of corners is the only way to avoid a spin if you are not able to slow down enough after the turn in.

Quote from DragonCommando :

I think he is trying to get at the point that they are both motor sports that you do with cars. They have different goals as he stated, but still, you do go around a track. Just with a different goal in mind.

I used to hate drifting, but one thing I realized is that if you learn how to do it, it helps alot with car controll in tight situations, sometimes drifting a corner or a whole set of corners is the only way to avoid a spin if you are not able to slow down enough after the turn in.

actual quote was:

Quote from Cr!t!calDrift :

As I said, Drifting is just another strategy in racing, it's not much different. Some people choose to use it primarily, others only use it in worst-case scenarios

i agree that drifting is another form of motorsport. one thing that it is not is racing. if it was racing, then they wouldn't have to call it drifting.

Quote from DragonCommando :

I think he is trying to get at the point that they are both motor sports that you do with cars. They have different goals as he stated, but still, you do go around a track. Just with a different goal in mind.

I used to hate drifting, but one thing I realized is that if you learn how to do it, it helps alot with car controll in tight situations, sometimes drifting a corner or a whole set of corners is the only way to avoid a spin if you are not able to slow down enough after the turn in.

Well, then he's confusing goals with strategies, thus he's still wrong... Yes, they're both motorsports, as they are both sports that involve cars, but there the similarities end... Anyone who uses showdrifting in a race is a dumbass and likely to come last, as it's the second-slowest way around a corner (slowest would be handbrake-turning)... Using tiny slipangles to your advantage is not drifting, as it's often not even noticeable...

Quote from UncleBenny :

no. you are wrong.

how do you not understand this. the point of racing is to be the first across the finish line. the point of drifting is to score points with judges. how can you say that is the same thing?

Listen..read..whatever.

Drifting and racing have different goals, but aren't they just different ways of going around a track? Therefore they are not much different, aside that one is slow and slippery, and the other is fast and with more traction.

Quote from bbman :

Well, then he's confusing goals with strategies, thus he's still wrong... Yes, they're both motorsports, as they are both sports that involve cars, but there the similarities end... Anyone who uses showdrifting in a race is a dumbass and likely to come last, as it's the second-slowest way around a corner (slowest would be handbrake-turning)... Using tiny slipangles to your advantage is not drifting, as it's often not even noticeable...

A strategy doesn't have to be a good one, it's still a strategy. Yes, anyone who drifts in a race will end up last, if they were all on the same level of skill.

Quote from Cr!t!calDrift :

A strategy doesn't have to be a good one, it's still a strategy. Yes, anyone who drifts in a race will end up last, if they were all on the same level of skill.

Just stop it before you hurt yourself. That doesn't make any sense.

Yes, sometimes it's actually faster to "drift" in a race, but only for really sharp and small corners. Corners you only see on layouts. But even then, it's not really drifting, it's racing, because the speed drops to about 10 km/h and off you go again for maximum grip.

It this gonna stop ever? I was just reading back and saw some funny sh*t.But the 1 i'd like to comment to: Drifters are slow racers.Yes? for example i am pretty good racer,whoever saw me online will tell you,but it dont matter.I am sure there are many like me.Did u ever been bored? Try to burn some tires online with others,it is really great fun to drift door by door at 170 km/h
Whatever we say,this will never stop
Wanna know a definition of drifting? here: drifting is when your boat runs out of fuel

Quote from kurent :

Just stop it before you hurt yourself. That doesn't make any sense.

Yes, sometimes it's actually faster to "drift" in a race, but only for really sharp and small corners. Corners you only see on layouts. But even then, it's not really drifting, it's racing, because the speed drops to about 10 km/h and off you go again for maximum grip.

*Sigh* it makes plenty of sense.

I agree, drifting will help on sharp corners. But during a large majority of races, drifting will only slow you down.

Quote from e2mustang :

It this gonna stop ever? I was just reading back and saw some funny sh*t.But the 1 i'd like to comment to: Drifters are slow racers.Yes? for example i am pretty good racer,whoever saw me online will tell you,but it dont matter.I am sure there are many like me.Did u ever been bored? Try to burn some tires online with others,it is really great fun to drift door by door at 170 km/h
Whatever we say,this will never stop
Wanna know a definition of drifting? here: drifting is when your boat runs out of fuel

Sorry, but this post was lacking in a lot of sense, can you please re-state it?

Quote from Cr!t!calDrift :

Sorry, but this post was lacking in a lot of sense, can you please re-state it?

I was talkin about this racer-drifter fight,wich will never stop.
And i did a comment to 1 post,should have qouteed.Thats all

Quote from March Hare :

So?

Im just trying to state the difference between racing and drifting

Quote from UncleBenny :

that's like saying figure skating is the same thing as hockey. its just another way to get around the ice.

Any damn fool with skates and a stick can play hockey. It takes much more to be able to do even the basic figure skating moves.

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Quote from Cr!t!calDrift :

No, it is like saying playing defense in a hockey game is just another strategy. Less speed, different attitudes. (In terms of goals....in what to achieve.)

You are wrong, again. Yes a defensive strategy is a valid play in a game of hockey. But you would NOT switch to kicking the puck instead of using your stick. A better comparrision would be speed skating and figure skating.

Racing and drifting are NOT the same sport AT ALL. The ONLY thing they actually share in common is both are done in cars.

Drifting is NOT desirable in a race because it slows you down and eats tyres. Both things that are NOT valid "strategy" in a race no matter how you might look at it.

Staying within optimal slip around a corner is NOT desirable in a drift comp where you want to be tail out and tyres burning.

Neither is a valid techniquee or strategy of the other.