I saw a F3000 race a while back and it was much the same, it made me realise that LFS isn't all that bad when it comes to racer behaviour. One guy deliberately squeezed someone to the inside of the track on the straight, I just couldn't believe that a real driver would behave in such a way in an open wheeler.
I saw a F3000 race a while back and it was much the same, it made me realise that LFS isn't all that bad when it comes to racer behaviour. One guy deliberately squeezed someone to the inside of the track on the straight, I just couldn't believe that a real driver would behave in such a way in an open wheeler.
This was my point in an earlier post, hey even F1 guys do it. Its all part of racing, and yes the race isn't won or lost on the first corner, however, if there comes a time when you see a smidgen of a chance, you'll go for it!! And i reckon that goes for all drivers with a competitve racing streak in them!!!
Now you could argue this one alllll day long, but the fact remains, these type of racing incidents/accidents will ALWAYS happen.
Most LFS races are fairly short- being too polite and keeping out of trouble usually leads to one of two things in my experience:
1) You end up 20 seconds behind the leader by the time you get to T2
2) You manage to get through the carnage in a good position, and all the wrecking insects spam shift-R and the magic 3 2 1 appears.
Not that I'm advocating a selfish driving method, but there are people out there who take the aggresive approach to these things, and often they're the ones scoring points by the end of the race.
1) You end up 20 seconds behind the leader by the time you get to T2
2) You manage to get through the carnage in a good position, and all the wrecking insects spam shift-R and the magic 3 2 1 appears.
Not that I'm advocating a selfish driving method, but there are people out there who take the aggresive approach to these things, and often they're the ones scoring points by the end of the race.
And that is where I disagree. "A smidgen of a chance" is not a "good chance". It is a banzia maneuver if it is a smidgen of a chance and more often than not, will cause a T1 pileup. If there is a good chance that you can pull it off, then go for it. It has nothing to do with being competitive, it has to do with good judgment. If I wreck in turn 1, I have no chance to win the race. If I choose not to make a risky lunge for a pass on turn 1 and ride it out, then I still have a chance to win. But nothing risked nothing gained… and since you are not risking life, limb, property, or lawsuits, I guess people will continue to use ultra risky moves.
I tend to think more about longer races and league races when talking about this. If you are talking about a 5 lapper on AS1, well, that race could be won on turn 1.
No, I am not saying that. Please don't put words into my mouth
I am merely saying that you cannot expect to drive on the limit when you have cars all around you. You need to drive a certain amount below the limit, so you have space for moves you might need to make to avoid someone in front of you, behind you or wherever. Of course, there are exceptions and I care to think I am among the people who can drive very fast in the pack.
Funny enough, I completely agree with you. The person behind is not always responsible for a nudge/crash. I've seen some people makes sudden and awkward moves that makes you wonder whether they're planning to apply for LFS Circus or something..
Saying the person behind is always responsible can be taken wrong very easily. In fact, I've often seen people use it as an excuse to brake a bit early or close the gap. As I said, it's live and let live. Giving eachother space to race is what has given me plenty of exciting races
What's the big deal on winning races anyways? Is this Nascar or F1, where you'll recieve hundreds of thousands of dollars if you win? Are you going to become a big public icon where everyone wants your autograph and all the consumer companies want to pay you to hock their products on TV? Who cares if you win? I don't care if I win. I'd rather have a good battle mid field, swapping positions, and taking him on the final corner for a win of the battle, not necessarily the overall win of the race. If I'm a 1:47 guy at AS Nat. starting 2nd to a 1:44 guy in front and another 1:47 guy behind me, I could care less if the 1:44 guy finishes a minute ahead of me or looses it in a corner and leaves the race because of damage. I want the 3rd place starter who runs the same time as me to stay close and battle me.
Well, for starters, I do. That's why I play online competative games. To win. Now, if there's a guy running alot faster than me at a race, is it realistic to expect a win? No. Doesn't mean I wont drive my ass off to try and get the win anyway.
And, for all you smartasses out there who interpret that to mean that I'll drive with wreckless disregaurd to other drivers on the track, go away and finish your Dick and Jane books.
A 1.47 guy wonts to win a battle, a 1.44 guy wonts to win a race. Looks like both wonts the same thing...to win something. They wont to win their own class of the driver. So if the driver feels that he is in a top class, who can blame him if he wonts to win a race.
I regularly take it easy into T1 AND move up places. How? Slow in, fast out. Everyone else is piling into the corner as late and hard on the brakes as they can get. Fine. I sit wide and let them play maybe, maybe not games with the sand trap while I line up a late apex for a good exit speed and blast up the inside while they're strung out on the outside of the corner and can't do a thing about it. The ones I don't pass on the corner exit are the ones I get a good run on out of the corner and pick up the draft on down the next straight. I'm not super fast, in fact I'm usually a second or two per lap down on the guys who race in teams like SCR or PR but I can usually get ok results by the end of the race.
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