Quote from tristancliffe :

1G gravity (y) + 1G Cornering (x) = 1.41G acting at 45 degrees. Simple Pythagoras (although spelling his name is less simple).

But a motion rig cannot create more than 1G on Earth, so it's not about actually putting the real life forces on you, but tricking your brain into thinking there's the right amount of force. Thats why cyberseat, forcedynamics etc are fun - the make you believe a bit more.

lol you kinda took everything out of that equation by getting laterial G's.. anyways, motion rigs... suck.. lol its not that they are bad, they are extremely well thought out and whatnot, but its still .. not near what it is supposed to do, its impossible to "make" that many effects act through just a few hydrolic pistons, you have vertical G's and lateral G's.. thats 2 aspects, some companys dont do such a good job with those even at that, as for the fact that the forces are acting on you the entire time.. all a machine would do is just maybe tilt you sideways or something, but you still wouldnt be experiencing but a miniscule amount of lateral G's for only a few milliseconds

and then beyond the basics.. you still have however many more forces that .. i dont know yet so i cant tell you lol


as this is one of the things that falls under the categories of "yes.. it is impossible to recreate something real"

Quote from mrodgers :

If that is a response to the post above your's, then you are so wrong. It is completely different. As good as driving simulation is and can be, you simply don't feel the same thing. You don't feel the g-forces under accelleration, braking, or cornering. You don't get that feeling in your stomach when you crest over a sharp hill. You don't feel the wind buffetting against your car or tossing you around like in RL. You don't feel the impact into the tire barrier or the corner of the car you just hit.

How can my personal opinion be 'wrong'?? I've given up track days since getting involved in the 'race' scene of LFS, and don't even bother with as many mountain drives. I get my thrill seeking motorsport rushes primarily from my dirtbike now, as I don't find what I was doing in the car to be as worthwhile when I exercise my brain in a similar (in many ways better, because I'm actually 'racing' and have to practice, setup, etc) manner just sitting at home.

Quote from XCNuse :

lol you kinda took everything out of that equation by getting laterial G's.. anyways, motion rigs... suck.. lol its not that they are bad, they are extremely well thought out and whatnot, but its still .. not near what it is supposed to do, its impossible to "make" that many effects act through just a few hydrolic pistons, you have vertical G's and lateral G's.. thats 2 aspects, some companys dont do such a good job with those even at that, as for the fact that the forces are acting on you the entire time.. all a machine would do is just maybe tilt you sideways or something, but you still wouldnt be experiencing but a miniscule amount of lateral G's for only a few milliseconds

Sounds like you've never tried one. I haven't either, but I've had the theory explained pretty well. Google will do a much better job than me. Tilting someone sideways and keeping their vision angled the same (ie, screen following same movement) causes them to feel lateral G's, because they believe they are still upright and gravity is now acting on their sides, to a degree. Obviously there are limits to the amount of force gravity can apply, but apparently the same technique is used in fairly hardcore military sim type stuff to good effect.

I tried the Cyberseat at MPH'05, and it was pretty good. Okay, it's reaction time was too slow for the FO8, and it was sometimes a bit slow on bumps and whatnot, but it definately felt better. I wouldn't say real (yet), as as you say it can only provide small lateral G's and short durations, but it's definately an improvement.

If they didn't cost £10k, I'd consider getting one.